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Old 07-01-2015, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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You know what the problem is? Leftists who voted for these kinds of policies will soon flee those overly taxed and regulated bastions of liberalism for the lower taxed and lower cost of living conservative states and cities. We've seen that happen to Colorado, Virginia, and yes, even California. They are like locusts. Not content on making their own hometowns and states unbearable to live in, they turn around and seek out areas with lower costs of living/taxes, but then vote for the same politicians and policies that made their previous homes unlivable. The definition of insanity. I say look out for North Carolina, as that state is next up on the list.

And, in response to rorqual's post above: things are more complex. You had a similar argument used by people like you against Rep. Mia Love, who as mayor of Saratoga Springs, Utah, supported "large" tax increases to support infrastructure due to a massive influx of new residents . . . so, basically, the things that government is supposed to use tax dollars for, as opposed to massive new entitlements.
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Old 07-01-2015, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Jawjah
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You know what the problem is? Leftists who voted for these kinds of policies will soon flee those overly taxed and regulated bastions of liberalism for the lower taxed and lower cost of living conservative states and cities. We've seen that happen to Colorado, Virginia, and yes, even California. They are like locusts. Not content on making their own hometowns and states unbearable to live in, they turn around and seek out areas with lower costs of living/taxes, but then vote for the same politicians and policies that made their previous homes unlivable. The definition of insanity. I say look out for North Carolina, as that state is next up on the list.

And, in response to rorqual's post above: things are more complex. You had a similar argument used by people like you against Rep. Mia Love, who as mayor of Saratoga Springs, Utah, supported "large" tax increases to support infrastructure due to a massive influx of new residents . . . so, basically, the things that government is supposed to use tax dollars for, as opposed to massive new entitlements.
Nothing is complex in Alabama...they just went on a conservative dreamland spree of cutting taxes everywhere, so now they have to raise taxes to make ends meet. Kansas is another example of failure of conservative government policies.

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Old 07-01-2015, 09:28 PM
 
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What does Obama have to do with this?
I think the OP is referring to Rahm Emanuel, former Obama Chief of Staff and current mayor of Chicago, as the "buddy" in the title of the thread.
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Old 07-01-2015, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Nothing is complex in Alabama...they just went on a conservative dreamland spree of cutting taxes everywhere, so now they have to raise taxes to make ends meet. Kansas is another example of failure of conservative government policies.
Strong claims without proof to support. Ultimately, though, this conversation is really silly as Alabama (and shows liberals' desperation), even with these tax increases, still has drastically lower taxes, lower cost of living, etc., than most liberal states (it certainly has lower taxes and a lower cost of living than my home state of NY). For taxes, see this list, which includes income, sales, and property taxes: Overall Tax Burden By State

As for cost of living (this is only a list of the 10 states with lowest cost of living), see: The 10 Least Expensive States to Live in the U.S.

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Old 07-01-2015, 10:00 PM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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I think the OP is referring to Rahm Emanuel, former Obama Chief of Staff and current mayor of Chicago, as the "buddy" in the title of the thread.
That's what I assumed as well, but who knows.
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Old 07-01-2015, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Chicago has responded to declining taxable retail sales, and to the rise of online purchases, by adding a 9% 'cloud tax'. Users of Netflix, Amazon Web Services, Spotify, etc..., will now be billed a 9% tax based on their IP address or street address.

"...but now, you’re streaming all your media, not buying it, and as a result there’s no sales tax going anywhere. Worse: record stores, video stores, and bookstores are in large part going the way of the dodo, and cities can’t collect business or property taxes on businesses that don’t exist. So this, then, is Chicago’s attempt to recoup some of those losses.

"As The Verge explains, the new tax is actually a pair of rules put together. One covers “electronically delivered amusements” and the other, “nonpossessory computer leases.” The former targets your streaming video and radio sites, and the latter is meant to cover remote computing platforms like Amazon Web Services.
The rules take existing tax law and extend them to add another 9% onto the cost of using those services from a Chicago address — so that $8.99 Netflix subscription is $9.80 for an unfortunate Chicagoan.

The web services businesses, of course, can avoid this tax entirely (and probably get lower rents) by moving out of the city limits entirely. Consumers subscribing to streaming services have fewer ways out, since the tax could be based both on their billing address and also on the IP addresses to which content is streamed."

Tax residents more and drive internet businesses out of Chicago.

Thanks Obama's buddy!

Chicago Residents Now Stuck With A New 9% “Cloud Tax” On Netflix And Other Streaming Services


Chicago wants to tax porn?


grabs popcorn..........
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Old 07-01-2015, 10:19 PM
 
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Why is it that Democrats love high taxes? Their whole agenda is for bigger government saying that they can do more to help the people. Is that really the truth? Bigger government really just means more power and control for the government – paid for by the common taxpayer. This is the opposite of “The American Way.”
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Old 07-01-2015, 10:31 PM
 
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What is "The American Way"? How big was government under Reagan, W. Bush?

Republicans are total hypocrites - they like government spending and government size increases when they are in power, but abhor it when they are not.
Couldn't rep you again, but this is spot on. This whole meme about the Republicans being the party of small government is a myth. Republicans grow the government massively every time they get in power, all the while claiming the opposite.
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Old 07-02-2015, 06:59 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You know what the problem is? Leftists who voted for these kinds of policies will soon flee those overly taxed and regulated bastions of liberalism for the lower taxed and lower cost of living conservative states and cities. We've seen that happen to Colorado, Virginia, and yes, even California. They are like locusts. Not content on making their own hometowns and states unbearable to live in, they turn around and seek out areas with lower costs of living/taxes, but then vote for the same politicians and policies that made their previous homes unlivable. The definition of insanity. I say look out for North Carolina, as that state is next up on the list.
The US Census and the NY Times have already noted that trend:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/us...nted=1&hp&_r=0
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Old 07-02-2015, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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The greed of Chicago politics is unbounded. Will the people stand up for themselves and throw the crooks out?
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