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Old 07-06-2015, 03:57 PM
 
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That article has nothing to do with the OP's point. The article mentioned nothing about inserting things into young girls without their parents acknowledgement.
Sigh. Why does every post have to be a freaking "I win/you lose" statement?

The article is about a successful program that reduced teen pregnancy in Colorado. Take from it what you will. What I took from it is that free or low-cost long term BC is very effective at reducing teen pregnancy.

I thought it might add to an intelligent, nuanced assessment of the program addressed by the OP. However, intelligence and nuance are rarely found on this forum.
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Old 07-06-2015, 04:02 PM
 
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Sigh. Why does every post have to be a freaking "I win/you lose" statement?
Sigh yourself.

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The article is about a successful program that reduced teen pregnancy in Colorado. Take from it what you will. What I took from it is that free or low-cost long term BC is very effective at reducing teen pregnancy.

I thought it might add to an intelligent, nuanced assessment of the program addressed by the OP. However, intelligence and nuance are rarely found on this forum.
There is nothing nuanced about what the OP was complaining about. Those programs also do absolutely nothing to prevent STD's.

Do you have any opinion on inserting IUD's in 12 year olds without their parents knowledge as that is the OP's complaint.
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Old 07-06-2015, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Sigh yourself.



There is nothing nuanced about what the OP was complaining about. Those programs also do absolutely nothing to prevent STD's.

Do you have any opinion on inserting IUD's in 12 year olds without their parents knowledge as that is the OP's complaint.
Parents don't seem to care enough to do anything about it.
Seattle isn't the first to go this route.

Instead of using money to buy books and other academic equipment the money is going to IUDs and school health clinics where they can be inserted.

Our public schools are turing from academic settings of learning to social settings of learning.


Government Schools That Put IUDs In 6th Graders Without Parental Permission | www.independentsentinel.com
Planned Parenthood has been pushing this but it’s the state that decides if parental permission is required. States that don’t require parental permission are: California, Connecticut, D.C., Hawaii, Maine, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Vermont, Washington.
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Old 07-06-2015, 04:56 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Parents don't seem to care enough to do anything about it.
Seattle isn't the first to go this route.

Instead of using money to buy books and other academic equipment the money is going to IUDs and school health clinics where they can be inserted.

Our public schools are turing from academic settings of learning to social settings of learning.


Government Schools That Put IUDs In 6th Graders Without Parental Permission | www.independentsentinel.com
Planned Parenthood has been pushing this but it’s the state that decides if parental permission is required. States that don’t require parental permission are: California, Connecticut, D.C., Hawaii, Maine, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Vermont, Washington.
I would correct that to:

Our public schools have turned from academic settings of learning to settings of social conditioning.

And that's been going on since the 1960s, when it was decided that it wasn't "fair" to let smart kids excel beyond the others.
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"If attaining educational excellence is this simple, why have these high-quality schools become so rare? The answer lies in the cultural ferment of the 1960s.

THE INCUBUS OF THE SIXTIES

In every conceivable fashion the reigning ethos of those times was hostile to excellence in education. Individual achievement fell under intense suspicion, as did attempts to maintain standards. Discriminating among students on the basis of ability or performance was branded "elitist." Educational gurus of the day called for essentially nonacademic schools, whose main purpose would be to build habits of social cooperation and equality rather than to train the mind."

Much more, here:
The Other Crisis in American Education - 91.11

Note the reference to the education buzzwords that are still very popular and in use today? Public schools are about "socialization" and striving for "equal outcomes." They haven't been about fostering academic excellence or learning HOW to think for about 50 years.
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Old 07-06-2015, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Because it's so much better to follow the standard conservative method and stick your head in the sand, right?

You might want to double check to see which states have the most teen pregnancies.

Teen Pregnancy Rates By State



Uh....the issue is some school hen squiring 12- or 13-year old girls away for a medical procedure without either of her parents' consent OR KNOWLEDGE.

Thank gawd for private schools.
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Old 07-06-2015, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Florida
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https://feminist.org/blog/index.php/...-for-students/

Surprise — teens are having sex. How can we make it safer? | Grist
Though they can't get a soda or bag of chips, students as early as 6th grade can get an IUD or hormone birth control without parental permission nor knowledge. While relatively safe, there are some risk with IUDs and other forms of birth control. I wonder if the school is open to a civil suit should a student have an injury or adverse complication of the BC given without the parents' knowledge nor permission? While the state of Washington has made it legal to provide birth control to students without parents knowledge nor permission, does this also absolve the school of penalties of a civil suit should the student need hospital care for a reaction or vaginal injury? While these methods are fine for preventing pregnancy, they offer absolutely zero protection against STDs. Condoms offer protection from both pregnancy and STDs. Based upon the article, it seems as if the sole focus of the program is about preventing pregnancy. How much of a focus do they give to preventing STDs? AIDS is still around and has been on the increase again. Some STDs can't be cured with a shot.
I did not see where it stated sixth graders would be given birth control without their parents' knowledge. Maybe if they've been kept back a few years and are older.

In any event--it's an excellent idea. That way not so may girls will end up like Bristol Palin.
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Old 07-06-2015, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Sigh yourself.

There is nothing nuanced about what the OP was complaining about. Those programs also do absolutely nothing to prevent STD's.

Do you have any opinion on inserting IUD's in 12 year olds without their parents knowledge as that is the OP's complaint.
Which article (from a credible source) stated and had evidence that 12-year-olds are being given IUDs?
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Old 07-06-2015, 06:23 PM
 
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Which article (from a credible source) stated and had evidence that 12-year-olds are being given IUDs?
If you want to argue that you want more verification, that is fine. I'll not argue that.

How is this?

http://m.snopes.com/2015/07/06/seatt...sixth-graders/
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Old 07-06-2015, 06:57 PM
 
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There is a string attached to an IUD which must be checked to make sure that the IUD is still in place. A 12 year old is going to do this on routine basis?

What can happen if she doesn't? It can slip out of place and perforate and embed in the uterus without her knowledge. My SIL had this happen as an adult woman with 4 kids. It had to be removed by surgery and she was put on antibiotics for the infection it caused.

It has to be inserted, or removed, by a doctor. Not exactly the same as here is your script for the Pill. Doctors will do this without a parent's permission on a 12 year old? Will the doctor, or the school, be sued if something goes wrong with that IUD?
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Old 07-06-2015, 07:00 PM
 
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the question should be how many 12 year olds ask and get an IUCD implanted? I can't imagine many 12 year olds requesting this type of BC. I do think some are sexually active at that age, but I doubt many have the "courage" to go for an IUD insertion, more like they would pick an oral pill before an IUD
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