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Old 07-06-2015, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Which article (from a credible source) stated and had evidence that 12-year-olds are being given IUDs?
The second link in the OP states that middle school students can use the high school clinic. That would bring the age down to 11.
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Old 07-06-2015, 07:10 PM
 
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the question should be how many 12 year olds ask and get an IUCD implanted? I can't imagine many 12 year olds requesting this type of BC. I do think some are sexually active at that age, but I doubt many have the "courage" to go for an IUD insertion, more like they would pick an oral pill before an IUD
12 really isn't even the whole problem......as long as she is a minor and a medical procedure is done on her without my knowledge, it's going to get ugly.
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Old 07-06-2015, 07:17 PM
 
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12 really isn't even the whole problem......as long as she is a minor and a medical procedure is done on her without my knowledge, it's going to get ugly.
well 12 would be a problem for me. at least with an IUD. I talked to my kid about sex and she was protected when she needed it. far too many parents refuse to believe their kids will be sexually active and some think if they don't give them BC even once they know they are telling the kid they approve. so they rather not give them BC but then they are faced with a greater risk of an unplanned pregnancy.

btw if you never knew your kid had a medical procedure without your knowledge how would it get ugly? yu would be in the dark. which is why a great deal of kids who avail themselves of these clinics want their parents to be because they don't want them to know they are sexually active.
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Old 07-06-2015, 07:24 PM
 
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well 12 would be a problem for me. at least with an IUD. I talked to my kid about sex and she was protected when she needed it. far too many parents refuse to believe their kids will be sexually active and some think if they don't give them BC even once they know they are telling the kid they approve. so they rather not give them BC but then they are faced with a greater risk of an unplanned pregnancy.

btw if you never knew your kid had a medical procedure without your knowledge how would it get ugly? yu would be in the dark. which is why a great deal of kids who avail themselves of these clinics want their parents to be because they don't want them to know they are sexually active.
At some point we would be asking and at some point my wife would be accompanying her to the ob/gyn.
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Old 07-06-2015, 07:26 PM
 
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At some point we would be asking and at some point my wife would be accompanying her to the ob/gyn.
perfect that is what all parents should do.
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Old 07-06-2015, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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https://feminist.org/blog/index.php/...-for-students/

Surprise — teens are having sex. How can we make it safer? | Grist
Though they can't get a soda or bag of chips, students as early as 6th grade can get an IUD or hormone birth control without parental permission nor knowledge. While relatively safe, there are some risk with IUDs and other forms of birth control. I wonder if the school is open to a civil suit should a student have an injury or adverse complication of the BC given without the parents' knowledge nor permission? While the state of Washington has made it legal to provide birth control to students without parents knowledge nor permission, does this also absolve the school of penalties of a civil suit should the student need hospital care for a reaction or vaginal injury? While these methods are fine for preventing pregnancy, they offer absolutely zero protection against STDs. Condoms offer protection from both pregnancy and STDs. Based upon the article, it seems as if the sole focus of the program is about preventing pregnancy. How much of a focus do they give to preventing STDs? AIDS is still around and has been on the increase again. Some STDs can't be cured with a shot.

Is this another porn thread?
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Old 07-06-2015, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Florida
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It appears that many states allow minors to have contraceptives, so I am not sure why it is big news now, except some rightwing sites have taken advantage of it to promote and provoke outrage.

I believe that most parents would prefer to deal with a teen on birth control than an unwed pregnant teen. And anyone who believes that their child would never have sex at a young age are fooling themselves. Educating kids about birth control is of paramount importance or they may use 'pulling out' as their not so reliable birth control method. And we know how effective abstinence is.

http://www.guttmacher.org/statecente.../spib_OMCL.pdf
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Old 07-06-2015, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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You people just don't seem to get it, do you?

As much as people might not like to admit it, the world raises your child, not you. The environment your child grows up in will determine how they think about certain subjects like sex, and what they will view as normal and what is not, not you. Children are not raised in a vacuum. They are not immune from the worlds influence. The influence of society will be what shapes young minds.
So the fact that we see high birth rates in kids who grow up in Conservative homes, in a world that says promiscuous sex is ok, proves nothing. The world says casual sex and promiscuity are ok, through the sex saturated pop culture and media, therefore, kids will grow up thinking it's ok. Society says that drug use is ok by glamourizing it, so therefore we're seeing pushes to legalize drugs. It's why homosexuality is now accepted by the majority ( which is a good thing )
On the opposite side of the spectrum, smoking cigarettes used to be viewed as normal, but since has been stigmatized, and we're seeing all time low smoking rates.

What were the birthrates 100 years ago when the world took a far more Conservative stance on sex? It used to be that having sex outsideof marriage was looked down upon and brought shame to yourself.

Programs like this one only serve to tell kids that it's ok to have all the sex you want, and there won't be consequences for promiscuous behavior. As long as that's the attitude adopted by the public at large, it won't matter how Conservatively one raises their child, they'll adopt the attitude and behavior that the rest of the world says is ok and normal.

How can you say this is good

And then play this down?

Neither is a good thing.
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Old 07-06-2015, 08:07 PM
 
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Sigh yourself.



There is nothing nuanced about what the OP was complaining about. Those programs also do absolutely nothing to prevent STD's.

Do you have any opinion on inserting IUD's in 12 year olds without their parents knowledge as that is the OP's complaint.
If a 12-year-old is sexually active and has the wherewithal to seek long-term birth control, including an IUD, I have no problem with a school or any other organization providing her with it. It beats her getting pregnant at 12.

BTW, nice job of using the extreme example.
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Old 07-06-2015, 08:10 PM
 
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If a 12-year-old is sexually active and has the wherewithal to seek long-term birth control, including an IUD, I have no problem with a school or any other organization providing her with it. It beats her getting pregnant at 12.

BTW, nice job of using the extreme example.
It's the example made in the original article. Did you read it?
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