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Old 07-03-2015, 12:20 PM
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Funny that at least some right wingers hadn't heard about take overs and mergers until now.
We only tried to warn you repeatedly that exactly this would happen.

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Did you support Public Option?
And create one giant insurance company that grubs tax money instead? Government is just another corporation with its own officers.

France and Britain and Sweden are still smarting from widespread permanent job loss from their socialism.
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Old 07-03-2015, 12:21 PM
 
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Corporate "health care" is evil in purest form and just keeps getting worse as ACA makes it illegal to avoid tribute to the "health care" mob.
You realize there is no such thing as government healthcare, right? Government will contract with CORPORATIONS, to deliver healthcare... When you have one person making the rules to reduce .... It doesn't end well for the patients...
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Old 07-03-2015, 12:23 PM
 
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You realize there is no such thing as government healthcare, right? Government will contract with CORPORATIONS, to deliver healthcare... When you have one person making the rules to reduce .... It doesn't end well for the patients...
They don't realize that. They imagine there will be no claims, no premiums, and everyone will work for free.
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Old 07-03-2015, 12:36 PM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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You realize there is no such thing as government healthcare, right? Government will contract with CORPORATIONS, to deliver healthcare... When you have one person making the rules to reduce .... It doesn't end well for the patients...
I've got news for you. There was a time when CORPORATIONS had relatively very little to do with healthcare. Government will - and must regulate healthcare pricing and, to some degree, practice as they have done with utility companies for many, many, years.

For "Healthcare" is much worse than a natural monopoly. It is a competition-less environment that preys on people's worst fears at their most vulnerable moments. For-profit corporations have no business being anywhere near it and must be taken down like any other cartel.
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Old 07-03-2015, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Yes, I did support a public option for the competition.as long b as it doesn't make Medicare less solvent.
You support(ed) neither. You "worry" about Medicare because it affects you, but in reality, you support policies and politicians who wouldn't mind doing away with it, and call it an "entitlement program".

Public Option had nothing to do with Medicare to begin with. In fact, a significant number of progressives/liberals like me actually supported (and still do), Medicare for All. Do you?
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Old 07-03-2015, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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We only tried to warn you repeatedly that exactly this would happen.
So you're one of those who hadn't heard about mergers and acquisitions until now.

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And create one giant insurance company that grubs tax money instead? Government is just another corporation with its own officers.
Sounds like your kind of government... run like, run by and run for private enterprise.
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France and Britain and Sweden are still smarting from widespread permanent job loss from their socialism.
In other words, you're one of the hypocrites, who opposed Public Option to allow private companies running the system, and now turn around and complain about it.
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Old 07-03-2015, 01:26 PM
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So you're one of those who hadn't heard about mergers and acquisitions until now.
You keep nonsensically repeating that. We could have shown you Cerberus Capital Management's purchase of Caritas Christi barely after the ink on ACA was dry. We could have shown you Partners HealthCare even before.

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Sounds like your kind of government... run like, run by and run for private enterprise.
Except private enterprise doesn't have the luxury of lifting assets from captive "consumers" at the muzzle of state firepower--that is unless given permission to by the progressive left on March 2010.

Only Big Government has the resources to allocate crony capital.

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In other words, you're one of the hypocrites, who opposed Public Option to allow private companies running the system, and now turn around and complain about it.
Conservatives opposed ACA and its mandates to purchase anything. You didn't.
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Old 07-03-2015, 01:34 PM
 
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I've got news for you. There was a time when CORPORATIONS had relatively very little to do with healthcare. Government will - and must regulate healthcare pricing and, to some degree, practice as they have done with utility companies for many, many, years.

For "Healthcare" is much worse than a natural monopoly. It is a competition-less environment that preys on people's worst fears at their most vulnerable moments. For-profit corporations have no business being anywhere near it and must be taken down like any other cartel.
Why stop at healthcare? Why not food, houses, rent, water, sewer, Internet, free speech? An Apple should cost exactly 5 cents, would you be willing to eat that Apple? Why would I want to do that for healthcare... Appendectomy is now only $25... Who is first?
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Old 07-03-2015, 01:42 PM
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Another misguided concern of the ACA-championing progressive left falls--that of "preventive medicine":

"Overtesting has also created a new, unanticipated problem: overdiagnosis. This isn't misdiagnosis--the erroneous diagnosis of a disease. This is the correct diagnosis of a disease that is never going to bother you in your lifetime. We've long assumed that if we screen a healthy population for diseases like cancer or coronary-artery disease, and catch those diseases early, we'll be able to treat them before they get dangerously advanced, and save lives in large numbers. But it hasn't turned out that way. For instance, cancer screening with mammography, ultrasound, and blood testing has dramatically increased the detection of breast, thyroid, and prostate cancer during the past quarter century. We're treating hundreds of thousands more people each year for these diseases than we ever have. Yet only a tiny reduction in death, if any, has resulted."

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/05/11/overkill-atul-gawande
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Old 07-03-2015, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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You realize that Humana is a public option, right.... It's a Medicare supplement company... What does it tell you about the viability of public options...
That isn't what public option was meant to be.

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You keep nonsensically repeating that. We could have shown you Cerberus Capital Management's purchase of Caritas Christi barely after the ink on ACA was dry. We could have shown you Partners HealthCare even before.

Except private enterprise doesn't have the luxury of lifting assets from captive "consumers" at the muzzle of state firepower--that is unless given permission to by the progressive left on March 2010.

Only Big Government has the resources to allocate crony capital.

Conservatives opposed ACA and its mandates to purchase anything. You didn't.
Obviously, the non-sense you spew, happens to be involuntarily due to lack of knowledge. The history of mandate is very much a conservative view... unless you believe (for example) Heritage Foundation to be a liberal think tank: Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans

A long history of supporting it, until it was adopted in ACA (then, of course, the idiots had to turn around and call it a liberal policy).

I will tell you what a liberal/progress policy would be:
Worst Case Scenario: Public Option (Conservatives opposed it on the grounds that it will hurt private companies).
The Practical Scenario: Medicare for All.

First, learn what you've been supporting.
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