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Old 07-06-2015, 08:38 PM
 
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Studies?, polls?, statistics?

how about this .....a thug or crazed person is coming at you with bad intentions. Would you rather be...

A- Banned from owning a firearm for protection while you wait for 911 to come save you?
B- Have a firearm for protection while you wait for 911 to come save you?


duh
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Old 07-06-2015, 08:39 PM
 
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And yet, this study STILL can't explain why gun-control utopias like New Jersey, New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, have more gun crime than "the wild west" places like Florida, Texas, Arizona, etc. Nice try though.
Yep, and if a criminal meets a sudden end the tax payers save a lot of money.
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Old 07-06-2015, 08:40 PM
 
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Studies?, polls?, statistics?

how about this .....a thug or crazed person is coming at you with bad intentions. Would you rather be...

A- Banned from owning a firearm for protection while you wait for 911 to come save you?
B- Have a firearm for protection while you wait for 911 to come save you?

duh
C. We could get the bottom mass shooters do it and solve the problems
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Old 07-06-2015, 08:42 PM
 
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I see plenty of guns in Chicagoland
Most were purchased thru Black markets and sold to Gangs. Mean while, law abiding citizens are victims and people die.

Remember Criminals do not want competition.
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Old 07-06-2015, 08:49 PM
 
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Most were purchased thru Black markets and sold to Gangs. Mean while, law abiding citizens are victims and people die.

Remember Criminals do not want competition.
I talking about white people here.
More or less guns is not going stop shooting.
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Old 07-06-2015, 09:38 PM
 
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Cool, so I take it you have no substantive rebuttal on the study then. I thought so. I don't expect any conservative to have one.

They are adjusting the raw data for crime and other factors.

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In their analysis, the team also controlled for a range of factors that could affect the homicide rate, including poverty, unemployment, violent crime, incarceration, gender and race.
Translation is high crime areas will be scored lower and low crime areas that are going to have a high rate of legal gun ownership will be scored higher. That's besides the fact they are using suicide rates to determine gun ownership.

There is reasons to adjust raw data but if the intention of this study is to show crime statistics by gun ownership I'm not sure how you can justify adjusting data based on crime itself. That defeats the purpose doesn't it?
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Old 07-06-2015, 10:34 PM
 
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Skewed studies didn't keep me from being car jacked and becoming a statistic my civilian Glock 19 did that.
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Old 07-07-2015, 02:03 AM
 
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Well, a lot of guns do have tight barrels.
That would explain any rise we see in gun 'cleaning' accidents.
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Old 07-07-2015, 03:36 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Yeah, yeah..... Nothing new here. Just rehashing the same debate we've been having for decades.

Fact is, none of it matters, not even a stitch.

We have a Right to keep and bear arms, for better or worse. Until that changes by amendment or repeal, it really doesn't matter who comes up with what study, or what those studies might conclude ( or who paid for those conclusions )
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Old 07-07-2015, 04:07 AM
 
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Arrow "Study" is not Peer Reviewed Research based on Scientific Method

Yet another long winded "study' that ignores the obvious.....
  • Criminals use guns to break laws (The Fact)
  • So lets create more laws to stop Criminals (The Fallacy)

When Harvard can produce a "study" that addresses that simple fact, then we might have something. Yet there is none as always. This is another example of an "opinion" article where there was a pre-determined outcome, then they simply picked facts to support it.



Case Closed.
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