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Old 07-07-2015, 08:45 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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That would be the inside the beltway type Republicans and party cheerleaders. They are essentially the opposite side of the liberals on the "big government big power" coin. Those are the people I oppose, and why I consider myself a TEA Party person. You're not going to find me voting Bush, Perry or Christie.

At least the right has groups that oppose monster government, while it seems exceptionally rare to have anyone on the left oppose the DC insiders.
The two-party system gives us little/no chance to vote for anyone but DC insiders in national elections, all they give us are the party hacks they think can win for the party with no concern for the country. That applies to both sides of the aisle.
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Old 07-07-2015, 08:47 AM
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Isn't that just more governing?
You're darned correct you're confused. You probably work out of Fairfax Co. too.

The conservative right wing wants all of it downsized, cut, trimmed, suffocated of money--not "governed."

The progressive left wants Big Government that allocates crony capital preserved.
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Old 07-07-2015, 08:52 AM
 
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That would be the inside the beltway type Republicans and party cheerleaders. They are essentially the opposite side of the liberals on the "big government big power" coin. Those are the people I oppose, and why I consider myself a TEA Party person. You're not going to find me voting Bush, Perry or Christie.

At least the right has groups that oppose monster government, while it seems exceptionally rare to have anyone on the left oppose the DC insiders.
Maybe , Maybe Bernie Sanders on the Left.
But he opposed Audit the Fed so he is just blowing smoke as well.
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Old 07-07-2015, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Why do right wingers advocate governing the government if we already have too much of it?
Isn't that just more governing?
And exactly how do you propose to limit government without governing it? Is that concept really so hard for you to understand, or is it just the idea of limiting government in general that is outside your scope of reality?

Do you know what a governor on a engine does? It LIMITS it.
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Old 07-07-2015, 08:55 AM
 
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The two-party system gives us little/no chance to vote for anyone but DC insiders in national elections, all they give us are the party hacks they think can win for the party with no concern for the country. That applies to both sides of the aisle.
The intention of serving office for the Republic was never to make it a life long career with cushy perks.

The intention was for representatives to go to Washington a few times a year to vote. They voted by understanding constituancy because they lived AMONG THEM!

Now they live in luxury apartments in Alexandria or Georgetown pandering to big money.
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Old 07-07-2015, 08:56 AM
 
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And exactly how do you propose to limit government without governing it? Is that concept really so hard for you to understand, or is it just the idea of limiting government in general that is outside your scope of reality?

Do you know what a governor on a engine does? It LIMITS it.
1. Force government to function with less money. Instead you support giving them more duh!
2. Everyone must pay federal taxes. If the government wants to raise taxes it effects everyone. They won't be so easily convinced to support higher taxes "on the other guy".

4. Stop allowing government to buy votes i.e., everyone who is able must work or they must eat at soup kitchens,
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Old 07-07-2015, 08:56 AM
 
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The two-party system gives us little/no chance to vote for anyone but DC insiders in national elections, all they give us are the party hacks they think can win for the party with no concern for the country. That applies to both sides of the aisle.
Ding ding ding! Spot on.
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Old 07-07-2015, 08:59 AM
 
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The two-party system gives us little/no chance to vote for anyone but DC insiders in national elections, all they give us are the party hacks they think can win for the party with no concern for the country. That applies to both sides of the aisle.
its not the two party system that is the problem, its the media that wont do their jobs properly. back in the day when they did do their jobs, we had good candidates for political office. however as the media became more the shill for one party over the other, the good people that ran for office dried up because they did not want to have their names smeared across the nations papers for no good reason other than the media didnt want those people in office.

right now the media is swinging to the left, but one day they will swing back right, and democrats will find themselves out of favor with the media, and they will find the things they say and do blown out of proportion, but the electorate wont buy into their "excuses" because the media will be onto other things that peak their interests.
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Old 07-07-2015, 09:11 AM
 
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its not the two party system that is the problem, its the media that wont do their jobs properly. back in the day when they did do their jobs, we had good candidates for political office. however as the media became more the shill for one party over the other, the good people that ran for office dried up because they did not want to have their names smeared across the nations papers for no good reason other than the media didnt want those people in office.

right now the media is swinging to the left, but one day they will swing back right, and democrats will find themselves out of favor with the media, and they will find the things they say and do blown out of proportion, but the electorate wont buy into their "excuses" because the media will be onto other things that peak their interests.
It's both combined with the public that allows the media to tell them someone should be ruled out based on some silly criteria versus really wanting knowledge of the candidates.
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Old 07-07-2015, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Southern MN
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The answer to the question is found in the Declaration of Independence. Good subject for the month of July! It's a basis for the founding of our Country and should apply to everyone.

Have you happened to run across it in school? Or do they leave it out of history lessons these days?

Declaration of Independence - Text Transcript
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