if management can hire illegals, they can hire kids (borders, dollars, school)

[burdell]

Management hiring illegals is easily solved, put the management that hires illegals in jail.

Poor parenting is a whole different thing.

[cremebrulee]

WIHS2006 First of all, in most states the absolute minimum age of employment is 14 ... and that's for delivering the newspaper, babysitting, etc. In virtually every state the age of employment for a *real* job is 16.

Seriously, times change ... it's time to adapt. Change is a constant factor in our lives. The world has changed considerably - politically, socially, and culturally - since in the 1960s or whenever you were 13. Every time I come on this forum I get more and more aggravated with old people who demand that everything be the same as it was when they were x age.

I'm not demanding that EVERYTHING be the same, of course, change happens, but I won't adapt to illegals, I refuse to accept how some parents pamper their kids....and old people, know a lot more then you think they know....but hey, everytime I come onto this forum, young people, want it all, and give their kids everything, don't expect them to work for anything, don't give them chores....pathetic...how are kids supposed to learn responsibility....

and what is wrong for a 14 or 16 year old getting a job in a kitchen, working hard doing dishes....cleaning, working as a bus boy or girl....

[cremebrulee]

Originally Posted by burdell

Management hiring illegals is easily solved, put the management that hires illegals in jail.

Poor parenting is a whole different thing.

they don't and won't.....

so send your kids out to work in the summer months...there are parents that do so...but not to the quantity of years ago...years ago, you were expected to work....and help put yourself thru college...today the illegals do all those jobs....

doesn't make sense....

[TigerLily24]

The argument/rationale/justification I hear most often from parents today is that they want their kids to concentrate on school and the extra-curriculars that round out the college applications.

And I do see their point. Many parents do not want their kids to labor like they did. They don't have the same romanticized recollections of these endeavors that seem ever-present in their parents' memories.
They work so their kids don't have to.

Couple that with the hesitancy on the part of a LOT of employers to hire anyone under 18 and kids just don't work like they used to.

Professional kitchens particularly are dangerous. Employers simply do not want the risk.

That sort of work also often requires late hours that can interfere with sports practices that still go on through the summer even when school is not in session.
Neither employers nor parents want the headaches that come from having to schedule around these pursuits.

[WIHS2006]

Originally Posted by TigerLily24

The argument/rationale/justification I hear most often from parents today is that they want their kids to concentrate on school and the extra-curriculars that round out the college applications.

And I do see their point. Many parents do not want their kids to labor like they did. They don't have the same romanticized recollections of these endeavors that seem ever-present in their parents' memories.
They work so their kids don't have to.

Couple that with the hesitancy on the part of a LOT of employers to hire anyone under 18 and kids just don't work like they used to.

Professional kitchens particularly are dangerous. Employers simply do not want the risk.

That sort of work also often requires late hours that can interfere with sports practices that still go on through the summer even when school is not in session.
Neither employers nor parents want the headaches that come from having to schedule around these pursuits.

Agreed, I know several fast food franchise owners who will absolutely NOT hire anyone under 18, not even to work the register. It's a hassle to comply with all the regulations that come with having employees under 18. They can't work more than x hours in a school week, they can't work between the hours of x and x, etc.

Not to mention the fact that due to the economy the average age of retail and fast food workers is getting older and older. I went to a local McDonald's this past weekend and virtually all the employees looked to be well into their 20s if not older. At my local Target almost all the workers are either college students/recently graduated college students, 30 somethings, or semi-retired older people.

[Ralph_Kirk]

These are two different issues and one is not the solution for the other.

Companies hiring illegals? Put the company owners in jail.

Hiring kids is not an answer for a company that needs reliable workers all during a business day or every week night.

[HeyJude514]

Originally Posted by burdell

Management hiring illegals is easily solved, put the management that hires illegals in jail.

This is it in a nutshell. If there were no jobs here for them, they wouldn't be coming. Trump won't crack down on those hiring the illegals, though, because he's one of the guys doing it and benefiting from their cheap labor.

What Trump is doing is nothing more than dog whistle politics, and that is always a draw to a certain segment of the population. What you don't hear him saying is that he will crack down on those doing the hiring and put repeat offenders in jail. Why not? Aren't they breaking the law, too?

Where is the big populous movement to go after the guys who make illegal immigration desirable and possible to begin with?

<crickets>

[cremebrulee]

Originally Posted by TrapperJohn

So you both advocate a return to old-fashioned, conservative parenting?

call it whatever you want...but kids today, not all but most, have no focus on how to even begin to be responsible.

I watched as my grand daughter, was asked by her father to go do something and she left the room, but got side tracked...she doesn't want for anything....she doesn't have to help clear the table, so when she gets up, her dishes remain on the table...she doesn't have to clean up after her pets or feed them, mom and dad take care of it...and she of course will not get a job b/c mom and dad have already started a college fund.

and I know there are a lot of parents out there the same way....

I know a man who he and his wife adopted their child, and they give her everything, she doesn't have to work...they are well to do, but what they don't understand is, it's not about "the money", it's about teaching a child to be independent and working for what you want instead of giving them everything. They have to learn how to do without....for God's sake...learn responsablity and awareness, not to mention how to focus.

[cremebrulee]

Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk

These are two different issues and one is not the solution for the other.

Companies hiring illegals? Put the company owners in jail.

Hiring kids is not an answer for a company that needs reliable workers all during a business day or every week night.

No they are not, it is in fact a solution....

so so many people whine that no one wants to do the jobs that illegals do. Well, you walk into any kitchen of any restaurant, in this nation and who is working in it? Illegals....so lets put our kids to work once again, it would be a great thing, teaching them repsonsablity...not to mention, start fining those places that hire illegals...there is nothing wrong with a kid working to buy his own car or working to help put himself thru college, teaching a kid how to save...how to write checks....etc.

[crone]

I have tried to hire neighborhood kids to help me with yard work. Took 10 years to find a kid whose father taught him to cut his own grass. They were delighted for him to earn 20$ a week cutting mine.

Most parents in the neighborhood did everything for the kids and did not want them doing yard work.

My grand kids started putting their dishes in the sink when they were tall enough to reach. They are taught and expected to do chores around the house. Just like their parents were.

We did not give allowance, pay for good grades or pay them to do household chores. They were part of a family and contributed to household. We did pay them what we would pay if we hired somebody. They babysat, were mother's helpers, ran a play school in the summers, the boy threw papers, cut grass, put dividing stripes in small parking lots.

They all did one sport, 2 after school activities, took part in church activities and made good grades.

Don't tell me school is harder. The girls each got 2 masters degrees and teach school.

I haven't seen the SAT or ACT scores climbing.