if management can hire illegals, they can hire kids (single)

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk

And there is the problem with saying for a Mexican father, "It's immoral for you to cross into the US against US law to work."

From the standpoint of being a father, morality lies in doing the best for his family. If he's a Christian, scripture says explicitly that a man who doesn't provide for his family is "worse than an infidel."

If it was immoral to cross the border...why are US companies willing to hire him? Clearly from his viewpoint, the law does not align with morality.

I disagree. Kids shouldn't be taught that it is ok to steal from others just because you or your family needs what they have but doesn't belong to them. That is immorality. You quoting Christianity is ridiculous because Jesus didn't condone that. Remember the Ten Commandments? Thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not covet they neighbor? I'm pretty that lying is a no-no in the Bible also of which illegal alien do.

Companies who hire illegals are being immoral. Laws are based on morals. They hire them to increase their profits because of their greed. I'm pretty sure the Bible doesn't condone greed either.

[Ralph_Kirk]

Originally Posted by Oldglory

I disagree. Kids shouldn't be taught that it is ok to steal from others just because you or your family needs what they have but doesn't belong to them. That is immorality. You quoting Christianity is ridiculous because Jesus didn't condone that. Remember the Ten Commandments? Thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not covet they neighbor? I'm pretty that lying is a no-no in the Bible also of which illegal alien do.

Companies who hire illegals are being immoral. Laws are based on morals. They hire them to increase their profits because of their greed. I'm pretty sure the Bible doesn't condone greed either.

And every Christian will affirm that one should not obey immoral laws as well. A law is not moral just because it gets passed. The reason a sane and moral immigration law can't get passed is because US business interests profit from the current immoral situation.

[Three Wolves In Snow]

Originally Posted by cremebrulee

I was working ever since I was 13 years old.
I look at my grand daughter now, and as much as I love adore her, I see a child, without care for responsibility and immaturity....
we were discussing this at a 4th of July Picnic I attended, and we remembered how much more mature we were as kids...
My grand-daughter is going to be 13 and she is so immature...if they ask her to do something, she goes into the room and gets side traced, her focus isn't there, b/c she doesn't have to.

We have pampered our kids beyond the norm.

My first job was of course part time, on the weekends, in a bakery. I cleaned the house, b/c my mother worked 3 jobs....to keep food on the table, I learned to cook, do the laundry and iron...at 13 years old.

At five years old, I walked to the park to a wading pool and at 8 years old I was on the swimming team doing backstroke and freestyle.

If I wanted to go to college I had to work and do it on my own...as many kids did back then.

today, parents coddle their kids, their kids are spoiled and have no chores to do or help with around the house.

Why? Why don't parents realize, that giving their kids everything will serve them badly. If kids had to work for what they wanted, they would appreciate it more, give them a sense of responsibility and create good hard working mature kids.

Everyone in our neighborhood worked, my brother had a paper route.

If parents made their kids get jobs in kitchens of restaurants, and other jobs as such, they'd be happy to go to college.

Kids today do not have a sense of responsibility....they are not mature....and have way to much time on their hands.

I'm sick to death of seeing kids and adults, with their noses in their cell phones? How can anyone be aware of what is going on around them?

This country is going to hell fast....we're in the fast lane of decline, due to a loss of moral standards, and a respect for the law....

I know someone who does this. Says it's because their job is school. Funny, I know lots of people who went to school and still had chores, and still did really well in school. I will never understand that mindset.

Doing chores is a part of teaching....why would someone eliminate that from their kids' lives?

[Three Wolves In Snow]

Originally Posted by HeyJude514

This is it in a nutshell. If there were no jobs here for them, they wouldn't be coming. Trump won't crack down on those hiring the illegals, though, because he's one of the guys doing it and benefiting from their cheap labor.

What Trump is doing is nothing more than dog whistle politics, and that is always a draw to a certain segment of the population. What you don't hear him saying is that he will crack down on those doing the hiring and put repeat offenders in jail. Why not? Aren't they breaking the law, too?

Where is the big populous movement to go after the guys who make illegal immigration desirable and possible to begin with?

<crickets>

Totally agree with you. It would be good to have a much tighter border and not let any Tom, Dick, or Harry waltz right in, especially when there are thousands going through the drama and financial burden of doing it the right way....I can't even imagine how irritated they must be, but, a great way to start resolving the issue is to start holding those accountable who hire illegals.

If they get stung hard enough, and often enough, they will stop hiring illegals.

When illegals catch wind of that, they'll stop coming over in waves.

People don't go where there is no work.

[Ponderosa]

Kids in my neighborhood have no problem finding jobs. They work at the Safeway, McDonalds, Subway, Olive Garden, pizza joints etc. But we have e-verify in Arizona and it has made a BIG difference. A few years ago, it was nothing but illegals working those jobs.

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk

And every Christian will affirm that one should not obey immoral laws as well. A law is not moral just because it gets passed. The reason a sane and moral immigration law can't get passed is because US business interests profit from the current immoral situation.

Which immoral laws would that be? Why would we need to pass any new immigration laws? The ones we have on the book are not immoral they just aren't enforced and THAT is immoral.

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by Three Wolves In Snow

Totally agree with you. It would be good to have a much tighter border and not let any Tom, Dick, or Harry waltz right in, especially when there are thousands going through the drama and financial burden of doing it the right way....I can't even imagine how irritated they must be, but, a great way to start resolving the issue is to start holding those accountable who hire illegals.

If they get stung hard enough, and often enough, they will stop hiring illegals.

When illegals catch wind of that, they'll stop coming over in waves.

People don't go where there is no work.

It's one of the things we do need to do (e-verify with stiff penalties) but jobs aren't the only thing that brings them here. Benefits and birthright citizenship for their kids do also. We have to end ALL of the incentives for them to remain here and keep coming here.

[lilyflower3191981]

And don't forget,

The second reason is that once immigrants become U.S. citizens, they can sponsor their parents to come to the United States. As the number of younger immigrants who naturalize increases, the number of older parents eligible to immigrate will also increase.

Today, older immigrants account for 12 percent of the 40.4 million elderly in the United States and for 12 percent of the 40 million immigrant population.

Senior Immigrants in the United States | migrationpolicy.org

Medicare for all these new immigrants senior citizens, how do we afford all that?

[TrapperJohn]

Originally Posted by TrapperJohn

How can they be "fantastic" parents and raise such spoiled, entitled kids?

Guess that's an issue ...

[Ralph_Kirk]

Originally Posted by Oldglory

Which immoral laws would that be? Why would we need to pass any new immigration laws? The ones we have on the book are not immoral they just aren't enforced and THAT is immoral.

The immorality of a law is not within the words themselves, but as well how partially the law is enforced. That is actually US jurisprudence, and the reason, for instance, a "good arrest" can get turned out in court.