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Old 07-11-2015, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Jawjah
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Progressives create jobs by not doing trickle-down style tax cuts for the rich and by not blocking wage increases. That is usually enough.
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Old 07-11-2015, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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That will come as news to Boeing, Lockeed-Martin, Raytheon, General Dynamics, Northrop Gruman, SAIC, Huntington Ingalls Industries, United Technologies, BAE Systems, Bechtel, AT&T, Verizon, and that's just some of the top 100.

I think it has been a long time coming for this canard to be laid to rest.
Some of these companies like Raytheon, Lockheed-Martin, General Dynamics , Northrup-Grumman and Ingalls rely n government contracts for as much as 80% of their revenues. Without those contracts they would all go into either Chapter 11 or 7 (liquidation) bankruptcy. Boeing might make a go of it with out its military business but might also fall to Airbus Industrie since it uses profits and R&D from its Military business to keep its Commercial Aviation business afloat. Government spending accounts for at least 1/4 of the US GDP through being the customer of goods and services from American business and another large chunk of support for American business comes from the fact it is the principle sources of income for about 1 in 4 Americans and nearly 800 billion dollars that goes to pay our medical professionals and buys what they use to treat many Americans. Roughly 1 in 3 Americans working today would probably lose their jobs if the government weren't there to pay for their services or what they make.

The only canard that needs to be laid to rest is the belief by all too many that all they rely on would be provided by all those companies you name in absence of government, and its taxes which pay for all of that necessary stuff. America went through that experiment once in the early 1930s and guess what 1 in 3 Americans had no jobs an no incomes!
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Old 07-11-2015, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Jawjah
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Some of these companies like Raytheon, Lockheed-Martin, General Dynamics , Northrup-Grumman and Ingalls rely n government contracts for as much as 80% of their revenues. Without those contracts they would all go into either Chapter 11 or 7 (liquidation) bankruptcy. Boeing might make a go of it with out its military business but might also fall to Airbus Industrie since it uses profits and R&D from its Military business to keep its Commercial Aviation business afloat. Government spending accounts for at least 1/4 of the US GDP through being the customer of goods and services from American business and another large chunk of support for American business comes from the fact it is the principle sources of income for about 1 in 4 Americans and nearly 800 billion dollars that goes to pay our medical professionals and buys what they use to treat many Americans. Roughly 1 in 3 Americans working today would probably lose their jobs if the government weren't there to pay for their services or what they make.

The only canard that needs to be laid to rest is the belief by all too many that all they rely on would be provided by all those companies you name in absence of government, and its taxes which pay for all of that necessary stuff. America went through that experiment once in the early 1930s and guess what 1 in 3 Americans had no jobs an no incomes!
As your example shows, there are plenty of "private sector" corps completely dependent on the government.
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Old 07-12-2015, 09:32 AM
 
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It deletes part of what I earn for illegitimate purposes.
You'll get over it.

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Quite a lot actually, but then I work for a living.
No, you create $0. Your spending is just a currency transfer from your account to merchants accounts.

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You cant be taken seriously anymore..
Please, show me how you create currency. That would be counterfeiting.
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Old 07-12-2015, 09:49 AM
 
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Been thinking about this. Progressives want minimum this, minimum that, education for everyone that is virtually free now. Pensions, 401k wall street pay-offs, less working hours, etc, etc it goes on and on.

Just wondering, where is all of the 'job creation'? They are making it harder for small business to operate by the year. How is this 'creating jobs'. They are progressing technology at a rate that is going make most manufacturing labor practically unnecessary yet you here them complain about the 'loss of manufacturing because of Capitalism and free markets'.

We are progressing towards a total technology and service based economy. Will this be enough without manufacturing?

Can someone provide some insight as to how jobs are being created with these agendas? Thanks
See: Greece.
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Old 07-12-2015, 09:51 AM
 
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See: Greece.
Trying to compare Greece to America shows you have no basic understanding of the Greek concepts of taxation and tax collection. Completely different situation than anything in the United States.
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Old 07-12-2015, 10:24 AM
 
Location: North America
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How exactly do conservatives? Besides a few states, job growth is mainly the same among them. Which tells you that for all the bluster of low taxes and less government from the right, it doesn't really create that many jobs.
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Old 07-12-2015, 10:37 AM
 
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Trying to compare Greece to America shows you have no basic understanding of the Greek concepts of taxation and tax collection. Completely different situation than anything in the United States.
Greece is progressive economics in action. I did not compare the US and Greece, rather what progs demand and how it has played out in Greece. But if you insist.

Progs here demand high taxes. Unions everywhere. Short work days. A public sector dominated workforce. Generous pensions for those public workers. Socialized medicine. Long vacation. Paid maternity/paternity leave. Laws stacked against employers.

Greece has high taxes. Unions everywhere. Short work days. A public sector dominated workforce. Generous pensions for those public workers. Socialized medicine. Long vacation. Paid maternity/paternity leave. Laws stacked against employers.

If you cannot see that you don't understand your own liberal economic policies, which is understandable since liberalism and poor education (outside of Marxist indoctrination that you pay for) are synonymous.
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Old 07-12-2015, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Been thinking about this. Progressives want minimum this, minimum that, education for everyone that is virtually free now. Pensions, 401k wall street pay-offs, less working hours, etc, etc it goes on and on.

Just wondering, where is all of the 'job creation'? They are making it harder for small business to operate by the year. How is this 'creating jobs'. They are progressing technology at a rate that is going make most manufacturing labor practically unnecessary yet you here them complain about the 'loss of manufacturing because of Capitalism and free markets'.

We are progressing towards a total technology and service based economy. Will this be enough without manufacturing?

Can someone provide some insight as to how jobs are being created with these agendas? Thanks
They don't. They redistribute jobs. The chief purpose of a job is to generate income for the job holder. Gov't comes along and skims off a part of that income, thus impairing the job, then takes those funds for some other activity, and then proudly and loudly claims to have created jobs. They created nothing, they just shifted.

When we built each of our 3 tax-funded pro sports stadiums in Seattle, proponents claimed that it would create jobs.

Here's an analogy I have posted before. Suppose you have a parking lot full of cars. One of the cars has an empty gas tank. So a liberal gets a length of tube, and goes around siphoning a little out of each car and puts it into the car with the empty tank. Has he "created gas?" No, in fact because transmission from one car to the next is not 100% efficient (spillage, etc) he has probably lost some gas. He certainly has not created any gas.
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Old 07-12-2015, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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Boil all this garbage down and it says one thing. Government regulation is the key to success.

It's amazing how willfully blind leftists are.
Maseman is right. Your statement had nothing to do with his point.
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