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Old 07-13-2015, 07:52 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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More of the Obama administration's war on the middle class.

I really hope the public will vote smarter in 2016.
That's assuming they even realize the damage Obama is doing to them. I don't have much confidence that will ever happen. Just wave "Koch" or "Trump" in front of them like waving a red flag in front of a bull, and they'll be too distracted to realize how much Obama and the Dems have used and abused them. /SMH
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Old 07-13-2015, 08:40 AM
 
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Yes. The federal government is grabbing assets from those who can least afford to lose their investment, no matter how small. Sick, isn't it?
Well, people have to understand how the government operates when you deal with them.

If you use their money, they will own you. Local police forces take their money, and we will have a federal police force because they will do their bidding. Local schools take their money, now they teach the federal lesson plan. Reminds me of Sweet Daddy Williams in the old show "Good Times". You get into business with him, he calls the shots.
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Old 07-13-2015, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I would agree with you about that. However, it's the Federal Government that is providing the means for low income people to enter neighborhoods that they otherwise wouldn't have access to.

The Federal Government has decided to relocate the poverty from the inner cities, to the suburbs. There is no doubt that these policies, and programs are having a devastating effect on many neighborhoods across the country. It seems that working class neighborhoods are being effected the most. This a real shame, the working class have already been taking a real beating in this new economy, and now they are seeing their neighborhoods destroyed by policies beyond they control.
Most non- elderly or disabled who recieve Section 8 are single women parents, employed in low wage jobs.

In other words, recipients are a part of the " working class".

Any neighborhood with an abundance of " affordable" rental housing is likely to be impacted by Section 8.

Interestingly, the Section 8 concept was developed under the leadership of George Romney/ Secretary of HUD, during the Nixon Admin.

Section 8 interferes with free market rent.
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Old 07-13-2015, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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30 years ago I lived in Lincoln Park ( popular area with higher than average rents) in Chicago, next to a newly constructed high rise. The developer used federal grants and loans and in exchange agreed to set aside X (of the least desirable) units as " affordable" housing for low income people.

Beyond speculation, it was impossible to know which tenants were being subsidized, although every minority tenant with children was suspect. This included a friend of mine who was divorced and an attorney with a good job who most definitely was not being subsidized.

A concentration of subsidized housing in any area tends to be undesirable.
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Old 07-13-2015, 10:15 AM
 
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This will encourage sprawl to get away from those receiving subsidized housing in suburbs closer to the urban core.

Stay away from areas with mass transit stops.
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Old 07-13-2015, 11:15 AM
 
Location: United States
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Most non- elderly or disabled who recieve Section 8 are single women parents, employed in low wage jobs.

In other words, recipients are a part of the " working class".
These people have almost every aspect of their lives subsidized. They receive free healthcare for themselves, and their children, they get subsidized housing, and receive food stamps. I don't consider these people to be part of the working class.



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30 years ago I lived in Lincoln Park ( popular area with higher than average rents) in Chicago, next to a newly constructed high rise. The developer used federal grants and loans and in exchange agreed to set aside X (of the least desirable) units as " affordable" housing for low income people.

Beyond speculation, it was impossible to know which tenants were being subsidized, although every minority tenant with children was suspect. This included a friend of mine who was divorced and an attorney with a good job who most definitely was not being subsidized.

A concentration of subsidized housing in any area tends to be undesirable.


That's the problem with the concept of dispersing poverty, the HUD programs don't have any regulations to actually disperse the poverty, they just move it from one area to another. There needs to be strict regulations to limiting the amount of subsidized housing in any area.

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This will encourage sprawl to get away from those receiving subsidized housing in suburbs closer to the urban core.
You are correct. Low taxes, good schools and being away from the under class, has always been the the main draws of the suburbs.

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Old 07-13-2015, 01:02 PM
 
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If you have an FHA insured mortgage... the ones that allows a low down payment... and an owner defaults on that mortgage... HUD takes over the property?

If that's correct, then the government is baiting people that can't afford to purchase a home under normal circumstances with a lower down payment... and hope they go into default so they can take over the property.

Am I reading that right?
Then the government moves in low class. low income and ghetto people and of the 'right color' and pays the mortgage for them with tax dollars. Or sometimes an 'investor' who doesn't live in the neighborhood or care buys the house at a discount and HUD pays the rent for low class, low income ghetto people of the 'right color' to move in.
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Old 07-13-2015, 01:21 PM
 
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The new "You have a right.", arena. "You have a right to equality. If somehow you are not up to task of achieving it on your own. We will ensure it, through regulation and executive action."

Sit back and watch. It is coming.
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Old 07-13-2015, 01:23 PM
 
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Most non- elderly or disabled who recieve Section 8 are single women parents, employed in low wage jobs.

In other words, recipients are a part of the " working class".

Any neighborhood with an abundance of " affordable" rental housing is likely to be impacted by Section 8.

Interestingly, the Section 8 concept was developed under the leadership of George Romney/ Secretary of HUD, during the Nixon Admin.

Section 8 interferes with free market rent.
These single women tend to have hooligan children and a boyfriend and his 'associates' lurking around and coming and going. But when HUD has special programs for people of the 'right color' to move into nice neighborhoods and subsidizes women being 'single' and having children, they're hardly working class.
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Old 07-13-2015, 01:27 PM
 
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Well, people have to understand how the government operates when you deal with them.

If you use their money, they will own you. Local police forces take their money, and we will have a federal police force because they will do their bidding. Local schools take their money, now they teach the federal lesson plan. Reminds me of Sweet Daddy Williams in the old show "Good Times". You get into business with him, he calls the shots.
True but it wasn't really the Fed's money to begin with. The feds took the people's money and the people want and need and deserve it back. But the fed's tell them how they'll spend their money if they want their money back.
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