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Is this like the time when Carter\Clinton negotiated the end of the North Korean nuclear program?
Or like the time when Bush landed all "Mission Accomplished" on an aircraft carrier?
I guess we should just fire up the Nobel Peace Prize for Kerry this time since Carter got one and Obama got one.....lmfao....I guess they should have given Bush one too.
"Back in 1994, American negotiators promised a “good deal” with North Korea. Its nuclear plants were supposed to be frozen and dismantled. International inspectors would “carefully monitor” North Korea’s compliance with the agreement and ensure the country’s return to the “community of nations.” The world, we were told, would be a safer place.
It wasn’t. North Korea never forfeited its nuclear plants and the inspections proved useless. The community of nations is threatened by North Korean atomic bombs and the world is anything but safe. And yet, against all logic, a very similar deal has been signed with Iran.
And Iran is not North Korea. It’s far worse. Pyonyang’s dictators never plotted terrorist attacks across five continents and in thirty cities, including Washington, D.C. Tehran’s Ayatollahs did."
North Korea is not actively undermining pro-Western governments in its region or planting agents in South America. Iran is."
Just last week, Iran’s President attended a rally in Tehran where tens of thousands of protesters chanted “Death to America.” How stupid can Obama be to trust these people?
What are the long term benefits of this deal with Iran for US?
1) Low oil prices. Surely Average American families will benefit from lower gas prices.
2) A new market for American Big Business in Iran.
3) It may trigger an Arms Race in the region. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman, Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait, Turkey, Egypt will buy more Military Hardware from American manufacturers.
4) A new ally for ongoing fight in Iraq. They will even send their troops if situation goes out of hand there.
The U.S. unfroze all assets and even gave Iran more money.
They also allowed them nuclear technology.
In return the Iranians promised to hate Americans and still wage war against Israel and expand their aggression against the west and the world.
Got it.
There will be no inspections and Iran will be on the human rights council in the UN condemning the U.S. for abuse as they murder millions in their quest for world domination.
Boehner and McConnell will push this through congress for obama.
In the end the world will be one more step toward another world war with obama's blessings.
(Stolen from my friend .. samspade)
I agree with your summary. It's all give and no take. The apparent "concessions" by Iran are eyewash.
My own instinct is that Israel will not just sit there and watch this play out. They may not bomb the reactors. But watch for members of the Supreme Cultural Revolution Council (SCRC, also known as the Supreme Council of Cultural Revolution) (link) and possibly Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei, Leader of the Islamic Revolution(link) to serve terms for a length determined by the IDF.
"Back in 1994, American negotiators promised a “good deal” with North Korea. Its nuclear plants were supposed to be frozen and dismantled. International inspectors would “carefully monitor” North Korea’s compliance with the agreement and ensure the country’s return to the “community of nations.” The world, we were told, would be a safer place.
It wasn’t. North Korea never forfeited its nuclear plants and the inspections proved useless. The community of nations is threatened by North Korean atomic bombs and the world is anything but safe. And yet, against all logic, a very similar deal has been signed with Iran.
And Iran is not North Korea. It’s far worse. Pyonyang’s dictators never plotted terrorist attacks across five continents and in thirty cities, including Washington, D.C. Tehran’s Ayatollahs did."
North Korea is not actively undermining pro-Western governments in its region or planting agents in South America. Iran is."
Just last week, Iran’s President attended a rally in Tehran where tens of thousands of protesters chanted “Death to America.” How stupid can Obama be to trust these people?
Appeasement is always a bad idea. It does two things:
It makes your allies queasy and likely to take unilateral action to protect their interests; and
Advances the interests of the enemy.
In my opinion Obama is adhering to our enemies, while giving them aid and comfort.
"Back in 1994, American negotiators promised a “good deal” with North Korea. Its nuclear plants were supposed to be frozen and dismantled. International inspectors would “carefully monitor” North Korea’s compliance with the agreement and ensure the country’s return to the “community of nations.” The world, we were told, would be a safer place.
It wasn’t. North Korea never forfeited its nuclear plants and the inspections proved useless. The community of nations is threatened by North Korean atomic bombs and the world is anything but safe. And yet, against all logic, a very similar deal has been signed with Iran.
And Iran is not North Korea. It’s far worse. Pyonyang’s dictators never plotted terrorist attacks across five continents and in thirty cities, including Washington, D.C. Tehran’s Ayatollahs did."
North Korea is not actively undermining pro-Western governments in its region or planting agents in South America. Iran is."
Just last week, Iran’s President attended a rally in Tehran where tens of thousands of protesters chanted “Death to America.” How stupid can Obama be to trust these people?
North Korea is a terrible comparison, they are ruled by a ruthless dictator that regularly kills off it's leaders and would rather see it's people starve to death than give up military capability. Iran is one of the most educated countries in the ME but they do still answer to the Ayatollah. The right wing in Iran in this deal agree with the right wing in the US, they would love to see this fail.
Always better to make attempts at peace rather than more of the same, if we had never lifted a finger to negotiate with North Korea we would be not worse off than today.
This is not perfect and there is concern but the perfect deal does not exist.
I agree with your summary. It's all give and no take. The apparent "concessions" by Iran are eyewash.
My own instinct is that Israel will not just sit there and watch this play out. They may not bomb the reactors. But watch for members of the Supreme Cultural Revolution Council (SCRC, also known as the Supreme Council of Cultural Revolution) (link) and possibly Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei, Leader of the Islamic Revolution(link) to serve terms for a length determined by the IDF.
If Israel takes action they will be held responsible by all the countries that negotiated this deal.
North Korea is a terrible comparison, they are ruled by a ruthless dictator that regularly kills off it's leaders and would rather see it's people starve to death than give up military capability. Iran is one of the most educated countries in the ME but they do still answer to the Ayatollah. The right wing in Iran in this deal agree with the right wing in the US, they would love to see this fail.
Always better to make attempts at peace rather than more of the same, if we had never lifted a finger to negotiate with North Korea we would be not worse off than today.
This is not perfect and there is concern but the perfect deal does not exist.
Iran is just as ruthless and a terror sponsor. Iran's goals are to take over the region.
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