Why does Iran need US approval for Nuclear energy (unemployment, middle east, Israel)

[NJ Brazen_3133]

Why does Iran need US approval for nuclear energy? I understand there are sanctions imposed, but they have every right to develop anything they want. Who are we to dictate what they can or cannot do?

And werent those sanctions placed way before this deal was in the making and for reason completely unrelated?

Iran can just do a deal with Russia or China for nuclear energy or anything else it needs cant it?

[ericsami]

Iran is signatory of NPT. Under NPT you should not build Nuclear weapons. However you are allowed to Enrich uranium as Iran has been doing. Many Other Countries Such as Brazil, Argentina, Japan, Germany have purely civil nuclear programs for generating power, research and medical purposes.

It just happened that because dollar is the Reserve Currency of the world.
All transactions ultimately occur in Dollars if you are doing international Trade.

The U.S Treasury used the power of the Dollar and the Federal Reserve to force other countries not to do business with Iran. It was as simple as that. Initially Europeans were unwilling to go along (10 years ago) and thus Iran got away doing business with European and Asian Countries.

But When AhmadiNejad came on the Scene and said certain Unwise things as red meat for his domestic political base. That totally turned off the Europeans and they ultimately got on board with the idea of blocking transactions that originated from Iranian Banks.

The U.S is forced to deal with Iran because if Europeans, Chinese, Japs, Koreans, Indian and Russian, Brazilians sense the U.S is purely bullying Iran. They may decide to walk away from the Sanction regime and it will all fall apart.

[BugsyPal]

Originally Posted by ericsami

Iran is signatory of NPT. Under NPT you should not build Nuclear weapons. However you are allowed to Enrich uranium as Iran has been doing. Many Other Countries Such as Brazil, Argentina, Japan, Germany have purely civil nuclear programs for generating power, research and medical purposes.

It just happened that because dollar is the Reserve Currency of the world.
All transactions ultimately occur in Dollars if you are doing international Trade.

The U.S Treasury used the power of the Dollar and the Federal Reserve to force other countries not to do business with Iran. It was as simple as that. Initially Europeans were unwilling to go along (10 years ago) and thus Iran got away doing business with European and Asian Countries.

But When AhmadiNejad came on the Scene and said certain Unwise things as red meat for his domestic political base. That totally turned off the Europeans and they ultimately got on board with the idea of blocking transactions that originated from Iranian Banks.

The U.S is forced to deal with Iran because if Europeans, Chinese, Japs, Koreans, Indian and Russian, Brazilians sense the U.S is purely bullying Iran. They may decide to walk away from the Sanction regime and it will all fall apart.

Excellent!

To put it another way just as the federal government uses dollars (funding or threats to withhold) to get state and local governments to go along, the same can and often does apply in diplomatic dealings.

When the USA tells foreign nations it will deny them access to its banking, finance, credit and so forth markets, people listen. Of course this goes both ways. If as the OP stated large blocks of nations especially in Europe told the USA to go pound salt over Iran then there would be problems.

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by NJ Brazen_3133

Why does Iran need US approval for nuclear energy?

To release frozen assets.

Iran approached the Bush Administration in 2003 seeking approval to pursue nuclear energy, and release of frozen assets.

Then Bush embarrassed the moderate President Katami publicly on the world stage at every opportunity, and that's how and why the hard-liner Ahmadinejad got elected and re-elected.

Right now, you have a moderate as president of Iran.

Originally Posted by NJ Brazen_3133

Who are we to dictate what they can or cannot do?

You are fear stricken Blue Meanies clinging to an excessively high Standard of Living which you cannot maintain without control of the world's resources, especially oil and natural gas resources.

You need to invade Iran and effect regime change so that you can control at least 3 of the 5 Central Asian States.

If you recall, Clinton illegally overthrew all of the regimes and set up puppet-dictators, but they were either overthrown later, or turned their backs on the US.

The reason you lost Central Asia is because you do not have air, rail and road access to Central Asia from the Persian Gulf, Arabian Sea or Indian Ocean to push your hegemony.

Originally Posted by NJ Brazen_3133

And werent those sanctions placed way before this deal was in the making and for reason completely unrelated?

Some sanctions were. If anyone should have sanctions levied against them, it's the US and Britain for conspiring to overthrow the Iranian government in 1953.

And then separate additional sanctions for the US for instigating a failed coup attempt in 1979.

Both are Acts of War.

Clinton publicly apologized for the 1953 coup, but the US has not yet apologized for the failed 1979 coup, probably because Carter and his neo-con advisors (like the bastard Brzezinski) are still alive.

Why would Carter have neo-cons on his staff?

Same reason Obama has neo-cons on his staff, which is the same reason Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush had neo-cons on their staffs.

Originally Posted by NJ Brazen_3133

Iran can just do a deal with Russia or China for nuclear energy or anything else it needs cant it?

Russia and China cannot release the frozen Iranian assets the US and other Euro-States have.

Iran needs nuclear energy, plus the frozen assets to develop the Iranian Plateau agriculturally, and shift more oil to the global market, plus allow Iran to produce petro-chemicals. Those things will reduce the perennially high 20% unemployment and create a stable Middle Class which will then push for democratic reforms (as all Middle Classes have done historically).

As far as a deal for nuclear energy, you would need to review the treaty between Russia, the Central Asian States and Iran.

It may be possible under the terms of the treaty, but not cost-effective, for Russia to build a dedicated nuclear power plant and the run the lines through Central Asia to Iran. Likewise, it may not be cost-effective to build a nuclear power plant in one of the Central Asian States and run the power to Iran.

The most cost-effective, beneficial situation is for Iran to run its own dual-reactors at Bushwehr, using one to power a series of desalinization plants along the Persian Gulf to pump water to the Iranian Plateau, and the other to pump electricity to the Iranian Plateau.

That will put more food on the global market as well as oil and natural gas.

Internationally...

Mircea

[Kawena]

great thread... good stuff

[momonkey]

Originally Posted by NJ Brazen_3133

Why does Iran need US approval for nuclear energy? I understand there are sanctions imposed, but they have every right to develop anything they want. Who are we to dictate what they can or cannot do?

And werent those sanctions placed way before this deal was in the making and for reason completely unrelated?

Iran can just do a deal with Russia or China for nuclear energy or anything else it needs cant it?

Who we are to dictate what they can or cannot do are the potential targets of Iranian nuclear blackmail and/or outright attack.

We don`t need any other reason than that.

[BugsyPal]

Yet somehow the USA et al allowed Israel's nuclear program without so much of a squabble.

[augustine-ray]

USA & Russia hold nearly 95 percent of nuclear warheads on the planet capable to destroy the Earth atleast 100 times. In peak of cold war Russia had 40,000 nuclear warheads of all types and sizes and the number were approximately same for USA as well. Its the USA that has demonstrated the sheer power of Nuclear and its ability to destroy a whole city in seconds.

To say that you are creating a nuclearhead just to destroy USA is bit of naive as USA has demonstrated that it has Hypersonics missiles capable of hitting on any part of the planet within an hour. Plus you really need a very very good missile technology to travel from middle-east to American aerospace and i don't think its possible for Iran to do that(unless Chinese or Russian decide to help).

There has to be something else brewing that has lead to banning economically. North Korea plays the threatening game all the time but we all aware that barking dog seldom bites.

[BugsyPal]

Originally Posted by augustine-ray

USA & Russia hold nearly 95 percent of nuclear warheads on the planet capable to destroy the Earth atleast 100 times. In peak of cold war Russia had 40,000 nuclear warheads of all types and sizes and the number were approximately same for USA as well. Its the USA that has demonstrated the sheer power of Nuclear and its ability to destroy a whole city in seconds.

To say that you are creating a nuclearhead just to destroy USA is bit of naive as USA has demonstrated that it has Hypersonics missiles capable of hitting on any part of the planet within an hour. Plus you really need a very very good missile technology to travel from middle-east to American aerospace and i don't think its possible for Iran to do that(unless Chinese or Russian decide to help).

There has to be something else brewing that has lead to banning economically. North Korea plays the threatening game all the time but we all aware that barking dog seldom bites.

Am going with the more there is of something it becomes harder to control the supply.

No, a small nation in the Middle East or whatever has nil chances of a successful nuclear attack on the USA, but there are other ways to cause mischief. The technology and so forth can be sold, traded, stolen and or otherwise acquired by person or persons for terrorist purposes.

Just the fact a terrorist launched nuclear blast occurred would be enough to cause havoc around the world including major financial markets.

As for Iran having nuclear technology you only have to look at the source of loudest screams of "oh Nooooo!"; Israel. Yes, that country has "the Bomb" but they have always claimed it was necessary because of being surrounded by "hostile" neighbors a few of which have nuclear technology. An increase in that club's membership is not welcomed news for Israel. Especially since Iran is a big sponsor of some rather unsavory groups.

[tickyul]

UMMM, Iran does not need approval from the US for anything. But hey, the USA has to look after their own interests........so if we feel Iran is a huge threat to us with nuclear-whatever.......we can play all sorts of dirty tricks on them, YES!!!!!!!!