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Old 07-14-2015, 12:45 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Booze isn't a Schedule 1 drug.
Nor should it be. And neither should cannabis.

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Libertarians have been pretty consistent on these issues: pro 2nd amendment rights and pro legalizing or decriminalizing marijuana.
Correct. I support both!
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Old 07-14-2015, 12:50 PM
 
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It's not just "strictly" it's actually a serious offense and ongoing while they possesses firearms and uses marijuana, the use makes them a prohibited person exactly in the same class as any felon. People have been raided, arrested tried and convicted for possessing marijuana (and even medical marijuana cards) and firearms in states where marijuana is permitted. It carries a sentence of 5-10 years, no less of a sentence than if you're caught with cocaine, heroin, meth, and firearms.
I understand and agree, but was using "strictly" to reflect how the OP is trying to use his friend's behavior (which may not be be morally inconsistent) as a "gotcha" for "liberals." Strictly, it is illegal; culturally, it may not be inconsistent.
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Old 07-14-2015, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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I understand and agree, but was using "strictly" to reflect how the OP is trying to use his friend's behavior (which may not be be morally inconsistent) as a "gotcha" for "liberals." Strictly, it is illegal; culturally, it may not be inconsistent.

It's a huge gotcha, especially in Colorado. Colorado tends to be pro-2A and supports MJ. Those two are not inconsistent to them because they rationalize that drugs are harmless. Ignore that sentiment - the progressives once proposed barring members of "hate groups" from owning guns. Defining a hate group is subjective, but let's get past that. A guy exercising his 1st amendment right to free speech is a target to gun grabbers but lying on a federal form is justified because of cultural attitudes on illegal drug use.

I'm pointing out that we as a society don't get to pick and choose how laws are enforced, and your pet cause doesn't supercede my pet cause. We have a constitution and the rights afforded apply equally.

I don't care if you smoke pot and I don't care if you want an abortion. I care when one is inconsistent in their application of rights because they are offended by another exercising his. Liberal tolerance isn't very tolerant on certain issues.
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Old 07-14-2015, 01:09 PM
 
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It's a huge gotcha, especially in Colorado. Colorado tends to be pro-2A and supports MJ. Those two are not inconsistent to them because they rationalize that drugs are harmless. Ignore that sentiment - the progressives once proposed barring members of "hate groups" from owning guns. Defining a hate group is subjective, but let's get past that. A guy exercising his 1st amendment right to free speech is a target to gun grabbers but lying on a federal form is justified because of cultural attitudes on illegal drug use.

I'm pointing out that we as a society don't get to pick and choose how laws are enforced, and your pet cause doesn't supercede my pet cause. We have a constitution and the rights afforded apply equally.

I don't care if you smoke pot and I don't care if you want an abortion. I care when one is inconsistent in their application of rights because they are offended by another exercising his. Liberal tolerance isn't very tolerant on certain issues.
Again, not a gotcha for "liberals." Sticking to the Constitution and tolerance are not features of solely one part of the political spectrum. Many people from all across the spectrum are unwielding and are intolerant of opposing or different ideas and perspectives.

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Old 07-14-2015, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Booze isn't a Schedule 1 drug.
It should be on the same level as marijuana, we all know this and that is why marijuana keeps moving closer to being legal in the US. That would put an end to this "dilemma" you have asked.
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Old 07-14-2015, 01:16 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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It should be on the same level as marijuana, we all know this and that is why marijuana keeps moving closer to being legal in the US. That would put an end to this "dilemma" you have asked.
We tried that, didn't work out so well.

What we need is to get the government out of the every day lives of citizens across the country.
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Old 07-14-2015, 01:17 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Man, there's nothing like a Saturday night of drinking Tequila, smoking pot and shooting guns.

Life just doesn't get any better than that (unless you throw in a pretty woman).
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Old 07-14-2015, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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We tried that, didn't work out so well.

What we need is to get the government out of the every day lives of citizens across the country.
We tried what? There are several states now that have legalized marijuana. We just need a conservative state to get off their hands and do the same so it can give it the push it needs to be legal across the US.
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Old 07-14-2015, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Marijuana and Guns: A liberal dilemma.
That is quite a dilemma for Liberals! Fortunately for me, and individuals like me, I am in favor of marijuana legalization and have no argument against the 2nd amendment. This is a non-issue.

[carry on!]
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Old 07-14-2015, 01:24 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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We tried what? There are several states now that have legalized marijuana. We just need a conservative state to get off their hands and do the same so it can give it the push it needs to be legal across the US.
Making alcohol illegal like pot is now.

Even the states that made it "legal" did not change the federal law. Pot is still illegal in all 50 states.
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