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Old 07-21-2015, 07:31 PM
 
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Arrogance of ignorance, breathtaking.
There was a dude in my high school (and this is top 100 High school in the U.S)

He was like "man, Texas is so big; I have never been out of it." He declared his lack of travel as such a point of pride.

There is nothing to be ashamed of if somebody can't travel. but these years with the internet you could at least inform yourself. I am not saying go out of your comfort zone and listen to Chavez or Nicolás Maduro.

but for god sake at least get Europeans point of view which is quite often similar to that U.S. It does not take much effort to skip Washingons Post or NyTimes for a Mont and instead read the Independent or Guardian.

It would not be too hard to tune into France 24 (English) or Deutsche Welle (English) or EuroNews in English.

people listen to worlf blitzer all day and then they wonder why they don't anything about the world.
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Old 07-21-2015, 07:56 PM
 
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What's the largest nuke Iran can make?

Anyone with 11th Grade High School Physics can do the math....


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I think thats a bit past 11th grade physics as efficiency of the device makes a huge difference.

At a rough estimate somewhere between 3 and 9 kilotons. The maximum I would guess for a simple device from Iran would be in the 40 kiloton range. little boy was 15 kilotons. It will take some time for them to perfect it.

These are very tiny weapons compared to most other countries, whose weapons can easily hit the megaton range (for a true monster of a weapon, the soviet union did a test of a 50 megaton weapon)
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Old 07-21-2015, 08:00 PM
 
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Arrogance of ignorance, breathtaking.



The U.S. couldn't "clean house" in a comparably middle sized Muslim country with 162,000 troops how on gawd's green earth do you propose to take on the entire Muslim world?

You really should get a passport and cross at least one ocean before foolishly spouting off.
Nukes, chemical or biological warfare, or even unrestricted warfare could do it.

We CAN destroy entire cities with conventional weapons if we are willing to inflict casualties.

Basically the United states can solve these problems if we were willing to use sufficient force. The issue is that doing so would open us up to terms like "War crimes" "Monsters" "Genocide". You know, the sort of thing that most think of in a negative way.

Sure, kill an entire people, and they don't remember you as a problem solver, they just call you monster.
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Old 07-21-2015, 08:29 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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Arrogance of ignorance, breathtaking.



The U.S. couldn't "clean house" in a comparably middle sized Muslim country with 162,000 troops how on gawd's green earth do you propose to take on the entire Muslim world?

You really should get a passport and cross at least one ocean before foolishly spouting off.

Unreal right?!
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Old 07-21-2015, 08:34 PM
 
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Its such a bad mistake that countries are showing up in Tehran looking to do business. While our companies sit back and wait for the Congress to figure out if its a good deal or bad.
Not one American business should do anything in that devil country as long as their people and leaders get theirselves off lusting after the death of America. **** them. **** their money. **** your greed.
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Old 07-21-2015, 08:47 PM
 
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Sure, kill an entire people, and they don't remember you as a problem solver, they just call you monster.
And that would be the least of it. International isolation, the uniformed opprobrium of the entire civilized world and inability of any American leader to enter into a single country for fear of being held for crimes agains humanity.

Of course such an attack could not be contained to the targeted countries. Just the application of such force in the middle-east would ultimate accomplish what the most vitriolic Arab nation could never actually realize, the destruction of Israel.

So much for the feverish notions of the unthinking right-wing zealot.
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Old 07-21-2015, 08:50 PM
 
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Not one American business should do anything in that devil country as long as their people and leaders get theirselves off lusting after the death of America. **** them. **** their money. **** your greed.
Europe and Asia would be forever grateful for such a policy, not that the foreign subsidiaries of American companies would not join in on the marketing bonanza. Frankly, I wouldn't care how much Iran screamed for the death of America as long as they were paying for the privilege, i.e., purchasing American made products.
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Old 07-21-2015, 09:24 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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Not one American business should do anything in that devil country as long as their people and leaders get theirselves off lusting after the death of America. **** them. **** their money. **** your greed.

Devil country? Have you ever been to Iran? It's actually a pretty young, educated country. It actually has a democratic history, an innovative culture and lots of potential. Try not to confuse the country with its leaders - people all over the world pretty much despised George W Bush, but does that mean that they should hate all Americans?? It's different there too.

You should watch Anthony Bourdain's show where he visits Tehran. I think you may change your opinion, even if only slightly..
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Old 07-21-2015, 09:26 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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Nukes, chemical or biological warfare, or even unrestricted warfare could do it.

We CAN destroy entire cities with conventional weapons if we are willing to inflict casualties.

Basically the United states can solve these problems if we were willing to use sufficient force. The issue is that doing so would open us up to terms like "War crimes" "Monsters" "Genocide". You know, the sort of thing that most think of in a negative way.

Sure, kill an entire people, and they don't remember you as a problem solver, they just call you monster.

This is satirical right?
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Old 07-21-2015, 10:46 PM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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It only takes 6 months to build a nuclear device, using 1940s equipment.

It's just high school physics, so it doesn't take any real talent or education, either.
The concept is simple, the engineering is what's difficult. Refinement of the fuel is the main problem and it's a doozy.

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Iran is a theocratic government who's supreme leader rules its people as its political, spiritual and ideological king.



Not relevant.
Actually this is the only important reason to keep Iran from getting the bomb - otherwise, it would not be any more worrisome than Pakistan having them. They're led by religious fundamentalist priests, and they are not the peaceful benevolent modern liberal type. They know what the early history of Islam is, including the fact that Muhammed was laughed at for calling himself a prophet like Moses, and that he didn't take kindly to their scorn. In fact one of his earliest wars of aggression involved capturing a Jewish village and having all the men beheaded after they had surrendered.

The old saying was that Islam would arise out of the ashes of Judaism ..... and yet here Jews are, thriving, and have their own nation. What a thorn in the side that must be! So when the Supreme Dude says Israel must be destroyed, he means it literally and intends to do it. An earlier ayatollah once said that a single nuke (presumably on Tel Aviv) would destroy Israel, while Iran could absorb the Israeli nuclear response without being completely obliterated.

Our last meddling in the Middle East should to cause a revolution changing Iran to a pure democracy, with no Islamic clerical control.
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