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Leftists are becoming a bit "educated" today. The meme for years has been "a fetus is just a lump of cells. Turns out that this "lump of cells" has real body parts that are a commodity and up for sale.
They harvest them carefully to maximize PROFIT when they sell the Body Parts.
Fact: Women will abort whether the fetal tissue/organs are thrown in the trash or used for research.
Not very smart to discard tissue that can be used for research to heal the living.
Leftists are becoming a bit "educated" today. The meme for years has been "a fetus is just a lump of cells. Turns out that this "lump of cells" has real body parts that are a commodity and up for sale.
They harvest them carefully to maximize PROFIT when they sell the Body Parts.
A person can justify anything if they work on it long enough. It's nothing new.
Anyone with at least an 8th grade education knows that a 20 week old fetus feels pain. I guess many people here against anesthesia for aborted fetuses flunked 8th grade biology.
This is obviously very controversial but imo, this is the key factor in whether abortions should be right or wrong. Does a fetus at ANY point from conception feel pain during an abortion? There is nothing worse in life than pain so this is the make or break for me. I've read articles saying that they can, they can't, they can only by a certain time frame etc. I honestly don't know who to believe. It seems like there's probably political agendas tied to each study too, like everything else. What source or study should I trust the most?
Pain itself does not exist... it's a completely artificial response generated by the brain. That's why some people can turn their pain response "off" and do crazy stunts and why pain blocking medication works. There are rare disorders that prevent the brain from generating the response at all.
For a human mind to experience pain, it needs to have some level of self-awareness and experience to make sense of and experience it (including a sense of the opposite of pain... pleasure). For pain to truly be a negative experience, the mind has to be able to remember and reflect upon the experience too.
More simply said, you have to experience pain causing stimulus more than once for it to develop into a pain response.
From a biological perspective (all religious beliefs aside), a human mind starts as a blank slate, slowly developing a conscious mind from nothing from the formation of the first neuron until he/she fully realizes they exist as an independent mind (around the time of our earliest memories). It's consciousness that truly defines a human as...well, human.
So from that definition, it's OK to kill babies until they are about 2 years old, since they aren't fully "human" until they realize they exist.
Ok...Ok, I'm kidding, but ya see how arbitrary the "line" is?
In reality, there is no escaping the fact that you are killing a potential human being in an abortion no mater when you do it... even birth is an arbitrary line drawn in the sand. A human baby is never NOT a baby, no matter how anyone tries to rationalize around it.
Let science decide. One could start by implanting sensors in spinal cord, the brain's cerebral cortex (where pain activity can be distributed) and limbic system (the emotional center of the brain) and also monitor the heart rate and record live ultrasound of the subject in utero. Once its validated that these data gathering devices are fully operative, begin to gather data for a baseline reading. There might be a period of time where nervous system is over stimulated (due to the trauma of placing the sensors), so we wait a bit.
Once the readings indicate the subject has stabilized and skill observers are in place, a skilled professional can commence with the excision in much the same way they do when harvesting organs for profit.
Observers would be able to note as to whether the subject writhed when the first arm was removed at the shoulder. Did the second arm try to move away when the forceps first touched it?
Sensors in the spinal cord may register a high rate of activity as may the heart rate monitor but if the cerebral cortex and limbic system activity correlates with spikes in spinal cord activity, well then the subject is processing pain. The subject (if fortunate) may have never experienced this type neural excitement until now, so while the subject's experience might not equate to what a mature adult would categorize 'as pain', the data would indicate that the subject is experiencing a normal physiological reaction to the test (aka indicative of 'life') and IS affected by the procedure.
While the test may not be conclusive with regard to what we call pain it would make a good case (for some) to rationalize that if abortion ever carried a murder charge, that charge should allow for an automatic plea down to Harassment - First Degree (a Class B Misdemeanor).
If any of what I described makes you uncomfortable, when then maybe it's just wrong to abort. Legally speaking you have both your choice and your opinion. Exercise both responsibly.
There's no good reason to make birth itself the dividing line. It's patently obvious to anyone, even just those who have read Macbech, that a baby is more than just "potential life" before birth.
There's no way that extends all the way back to conception, either.
Sentience happens somewhere inbetween -- long after the vast majority of abortions and nearly all elective abortions. Anything that happens after the first trimester or so is usually to avoid serious complications that put people in danger. I liken these scenarios to having a pair of conjoined twins, one of whom won't survive separation. Late term abortion, for example, definitely involves killing a person, but isn't it usually used in an emergency situation in order to avoid two deaths?
It's been said before that abortion should be legal, safe, and rare. It's clearly killing if it happens late enough, but killing isn't always murder. If it happens early enough, it's not that different from a fertilized egg failing at implantation.
Let's just keep abortion something that primarily happens before what we see inside the woman is clearly a young human with a working brain.
The analogies about hooking someone up to a machine are, frankly, silly. Getting pregnant doesn't happen by accident. Keeping the pregnancy going past the first trimester is a choice, too. Quitting part of the way through, at the cost of someone else's life, is immoral unless it's done for a very good reason (and "because I don't think I can raise a child" is not a good reason, in this case).
Doctors know so little of the human body that they cannot cure a cold or any other common virus. Yet they decide when a fetus is human or not. Beyond disgusting
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Democratics and Abortion
