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Old 07-17-2015, 11:09 PM
 
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Then why don't we back it up:

"First, the Nazi regime reenacted in 1938 strict gun control
laws and regulations that required licensing and reporting for the acquisition, transfer, or
carrying of handguns, and for dealing and manufacturing in firearms and ammunition.78
In this respect, the Nazis had in place stringent gun regulation, including strict reporting
requirements. Second, the Nazi gun laws of 1938 specifically banned Jewish persons
from obtaining a license to manufacture firearms or ammunition.
...
Four,
approximately eight months after enacting the 1938 Nazi gun laws, Hitler imposed
regulations prohibiting Jewish persons from possessing any dangerous weapons,...."

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/files/files/67-harcourt.pdf
Gee, what happened to point three?

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Third, with regard to possession and carrying of firearms, the Nazi regime relaxed the gun laws that were in place in Germany at the time the Nazis seized power. The Nazi gun laws of 1938 reflect a liberalization of the gun control measures that had been enacted by the Weimar Republic with respect to the acquisition, transfer, and carrying of firearms. In this regard, Hitler appears to have been more pro-gun than the predecessor Weimar Republic.
Oh. Yeah, I can see why that didn't make your post.

Seriously, the paper you're citing rips apart the idea that the 1938 law tightened the German firearms laws, because they didn't. Check the actual conclusion after the analysis:
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It is fair to conclude, then, that the 1938 Nazi gun laws represented a slight relaxation of gun control, at least with regard to general gun acquisition, transfer, and carrying.
You probably should have read the entire thing.

 
Old 07-17-2015, 11:09 PM
 
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To the anonymous coward who keeps repping me in order to call me a grammar Nazi: would you please post your complaints about me publicly rather than sneakily attacking me with reps?

I believe that Americans should speak and respect the English language, and I really don't care if you do not like it.
 
Old 07-17-2015, 11:11 PM
 
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who scribbles "socialist" and "workers party" on the doorbell expecting to attract anybody other than the progressive left to the porch?

A right wing conservative would no more want to be remotely near a gathering of sozialisten than the progressive left would want anything to do with a tee-partei. Who are chastened, embarrassed leftists trying to fool?
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Old 07-17-2015, 11:13 PM
 
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Who scribbles "Socialist" and "Workers Party" on the doorbell expecting to attract anybody other than the progressive left to the porch?

A right wing conservative would no more want to be remotely near a gathering of Sozialisten than the progressive left would want anything to do with a Tee-Partei. Who are chastened, embarrassed leftists trying to fool?
Who are desperate and delusional right wingers trying to fool? If you were to poll a hundred people and ask which party is racist, who do you think they would name?

If you were to poll a hundred people and ask which party is most inclined toward war, who do you think they would name?

If you were to poll a hundred people and ask which party would take their extremism to the point of war and extermination?

This is really what the OP is asking. The OP is trying to start a fight on the most tasteless of levels but if you really want to go there, it's your party.
 
Old 07-17-2015, 11:24 PM
mm4
 
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Who are desperate and delusional right wingers trying to fool? If you were to poll a hundred people and ask which party is racist, who do you think they would name?

If you were to poll a hundred people and ask which party is most inclined toward war, who do you think they would name?

If you were to poll a hundred people and ask which party would take their extremism to the point of war and extermination?

This is really what the OP is asking. The OP is trying to start a fight on the most tasteless of levels but if you really want to go there, it's your party.
When the leftist Obama soured with a disapproving public eventually exposed to the dark underbelly of progressive leftism, his obots simply took a page from the same playbook--"Just say he's not a real leftist"--as their antecedents after their own leftist Hitler lost favor with the public after Nuremberg.

But the public knows who demands big tax funding for the Big Government that the left wants, from which police state and surveillance state naturally flows.

The public knows it's the progressive left that likes urban camo attire, MIA tunes, tribals, raised fists, and knows the progressive left giggles at libertarians as "isolationist."
 
Old 07-17-2015, 11:25 PM
 
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Who are desperate and delusional right wingers trying to fool? If you were to poll a hundred people and ask which party is racist, who do you think they would name?

If you were to poll a hundred people and ask which party is most inclined toward war, who do you think they would name?

If you were to poll a hundred people and ask which party would take their extremism to the point of war and extermination?

This is really what the OP is asking. The OP is trying to start a fight on the most tasteless of levels but if you really want to go there, it's your party.
It depends where you get your 100 people.
 
Old 07-17-2015, 11:30 PM
 
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Since we can't go one page in a CD thread without mentioning Hitler or Nazis, let's just lay it all out and get it over with. Was Hitler a conservative or a liberal?

Let's look at the facts:

He hated the Jews. Most liberals I know favor Palestine vs Israel.... +1 Liberal
Why did he hate the Jews? Primarily for their wealth. +1 Liberal
He was a vegetarian artist/painter... +1 Liberal
The full name of the Nazi party is The National Socialist Workers Party.... I think this one speaks for itself.

OK, I'm trying to be as fair as possible here and think of reasons that would explain why he is conservative... hmmm

He proclaimed to love Germany... he experimented with eugenics to develop his idea of a blue eyed Aryan society... most white areas of the US are conservative.... so +1 Conservative?
He liked dogs. I guess there are a lot of conservatives who like dogs... +0.5 Conservative?

Ultimately, it's difficult to fit Hitler in neatly with American politics, but I think the statements above speak for themselves. I consider myself to be unbiased with politics, but Hitler definitely held more political tenets of the left than the right. Unless we're going to start calling guys like Kim Jung Un, head of the Workers' Party of Korea, a card carrying republican too.
I thought you were going to look at the facts.... You haven't. Nice try with your black swan theory, but obviously you failed to make any reasonable point.

Liberals go not generally hate Jews or wealthy people. Most liberals are not vegetarians. Most liberals are not socialists.

Let's not forget that the majority of Jewish people in the United States live in the northeast blue states.

Your statements don't really speak for themselves as you haven't said anything of value. Perhaps you should provide some exemplary example rather than nonsense.
 
Old 07-17-2015, 11:38 PM
 
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The Nazi were neither right-wing or left wing especially related to American politics. They were right of communist and not as bad as the soviets. The real story is that when the government gets too powerful and dictatorial, it is the most dangerous situation. The Nazis brought great prosperity and achievement to a collapsing Germany. They were too ambitious and ruthless, just as the empire of Japan was, but not every position they held was wrong.

The right vs left in America is more like conservative British policies vs leftist/progressive Soviet.
 
Old 07-17-2015, 11:38 PM
 
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"Anyone who has studied Hitler’s rise to power knows he was no socialist. He was an opportunist, even a political schizophrenic. Which served him well, because in a Weimar Republic struggling – and failing catastrophically – to come to terms with military humiliation, a crisis of national identity and an economic implosion, ideology was a moveable feast. Indeed, it was so moveable, it opened the door to Hitler’s rise to power. “Who cares what he thinks?” Germany said to herself. “He’ll do for now.”

Pin the ideology on the Führer is a fun game. Actually, it’s quite a tasteless game. But we can all play it. “The government will not protect the economic interests of the German people by the circuitous method of an economic bureaucracy to be organised by the state, but by the utmost furtherance of private initiative and by the recognition of the rights of property,” Hitler told the Reichstag in 1933. Not exactly the words of a man about to break into a rendition of “The Red Flag”.

But does it matter? Yes, it does, actually. Hitler wasn’t a socialist, nor was he a conservative. He was a political mutation. And to try to place him anywhere on the conventional political spectrum is not just to abuse history but to play a dangerous game with the future.


Don
It doesn't matter. Hitler is dead & the war is over.

Let's pay attention to 2015 and the fact that it's Muslim nut jobs who are the ones who want to change the world. And use barbaric measures to make their idiotic sandal slapping points.
 
Old 07-17-2015, 11:43 PM
 
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It doesn't matter. Hitler is dead & the war is over.

Let's pay attention to 2015 and the fact that it's Muslim nut jobs who are the ones who want to change the world. And use barbaric measures to make their idiotic sandal slapping points.
Hey, this isn't my thread.
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