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Old 07-21-2015, 10:11 AM
 
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Obama gave them what belongs to them. We gave them nothing that belongs to us.

Don't know why you'd be offended at "Death to America" when your country screamed "Death to Iranian Democracy" back in 1953 when we overthrew their government and installed our own. Because you know...we knew what's best for them just like we knew what's best for the Vietnamese, Iranians and Afghans.

You install a brutal dictator and support him for 25 years, train his secret police to carry out assassinations and oppress the people, and they're supposed to LOVE YOU?

Only Americans can be that arrogant.
Why offended by "death to America" immediately after signing a major agreement that changes the situation 180deg and removes the sanctions that crippled Iran's economy for years? One that allows them to develop nuclear weapons in the future?
Only SOME Americans that hate their country can be that ignorant.
Brutal dictator? What happens for the last 35 years in Iran? A brutal retarded regime that took Iran back to medieval times? One that is officially allowed by our country to develop nuclear weapons in the future?
Boy, you must be living in another universe.
BTW, our Secretary of State was "deeply distraught" by those ayatollah comments! Isn't Kerry a joke?
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Old 07-21-2015, 10:17 AM
 
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They can develop nuclear weapons in the future?

They were close to getting them now and if you can beleive Israel they should have had them in the 90's. There was no way to stop their progress without an agreement and people like Tom Cotton who think a military attack is an option live in an alternate universe.
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Old 07-21-2015, 04:10 PM
 
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First, there is still a long way to military action. Extanding the sanctions until Iran asks to end them, is one good option.
Second, why is a military attack on Iran's nuclear centers so impossible? After all, Iran supporters claim they have no military punch and are peaceful. For years they claim Ayatollah poses no danger to US.
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Old 07-21-2015, 09:33 PM
 
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Why offended by "death to America" immediately after signing a major agreement that changes the situation 180deg and removes the sanctions that crippled Iran's economy for years? One that allows them to develop nuclear weapons in the future?
Only SOME Americans that hate their country can be that ignorant.
Brutal dictator? What happens for the last 35 years in Iran? A brutal retarded regime that took Iran back to medieval times? One that is officially allowed by our country to develop nuclear weapons in the future?
Boy, you must be living in another universe.
BTW, our Secretary of State was "deeply distraught" by those ayatollah comments! Isn't Kerry a joke?
Oh...so I'm a "boy" now, huh? Really?

Anyway, you're saying that because the Iranians chose a cabal of tyrants to run the country for the last 35 years, the United States was right in installing their previous government and overthrowing the one before that?

Talk about "ignorant!"

So the Iranians say death to America, and you start crying crocodile tears? Why do you care about them liking you? What difference does it make whether they hate America or not?
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Old 07-21-2015, 09:36 PM
 
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First, there is still a long way to military action. Extanding the sanctions until Iran asks to end them, is one good option.
Second, why is a military attack on Iran's nuclear centers so impossible? After all, Iran supporters claim they have no military punch and are peaceful. For years they claim Ayatollah poses no danger to US.
Unreal.

Couldn't defeat Iraq, can't win in Afghanistan, and now you think attacking Iran is a viable alternative.
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Old 07-21-2015, 09:45 PM
 
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First, there is still a long way to military action. Extanding the sanctions until Iran asks to end them, is one good option.
Second, why is a military attack on Iran's nuclear centers so impossible? After all, Iran supporters claim they have no military punch and are peaceful. For years they claim Ayatollah poses no danger to US.
Why are you so obsessed with war? We have been losing them left and right and just pouring American blood in the sand and bringing back numerous disabled military personnel . Why don't you take a trip to a VA hospital to see a part of the end result of what you so cherish?
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Old 07-21-2015, 11:09 PM
 
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First, there is still a long way to military action. Extanding the sanctions until Iran asks to end them, is one good option.
Second, why is a military attack on Iran's nuclear centers so impossible? After all, Iran supporters claim they have no military punch and are peaceful. For years they claim Ayatollah poses no danger to US.
To clarify a point or two with your above post. The Iranian government had held a position of no negotiations for several years despite the sanctions by the U.S. and a few of our allies. It took years of diplomacy to get Russia and China along with the rest of the E.U. to get on board with a more comprehensive sanctions program in order to get the Iranian government to finally agree to negotiatons, resulting in the agreement we now have. I doubt seriously we could manage to keep the program of sanctions in place indefinately without going to the negotiating table. Getting Russia and China on board with the sanctions was vital in finally getting the Iranians to come to the table. The agreement gives a framwork for reinstalling the sanctions if in future the Iranians are found to be in violation. Without the agreement the Russians or the Chineese or anyone else for that matter could just tell the U.S. to stuff their sanctions and resume trading with the Iranians whenever they please. This is how multinational diplomacy works. I for one prefer it to just willy-nilly bombing and hoping you get all the targets or killing and maiming thousands of our military personal when you have to use upwards of a million combat troops and their supporting personal to invade in order to make sure you have taken out all the targets.
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Old 07-21-2015, 11:20 PM
 
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Unreal.

Couldn't defeat Iraq, can't win in Afghanistan, and now you think attacking Iran is a viable alternative.
I mentioned this before and I will mention it again but the mainstream media has brainwashed a significant portion of the population into believing that the US is omnipotent and can win any war.
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Old 07-21-2015, 11:28 PM
 
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I mentioned this before and I will mention it again but the mainstream media has brainwashed a significant portion of the population into believing that the US is omnipotent and can win any war.
True, but even without the media hype, Americans would think it anyway. They're drunk on superpower hubris, out of control defense spending, and the typical ugly Americanism that's so prevalent in this country and obvious to others around the world.

I'm wondering like I'm sure you are, just how many more military failures do we need in order to wake up.

You'd think that Vietnam would be a bitter enough pill to swallow, but that wasn't enough of an ass kicking I guess.
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Old 07-21-2015, 11:38 PM
 
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Why offended by "death to America" immediately after signing a major agreement that changes the situation 180deg and removes the sanctions that crippled Iran's economy for years? One that allows them to develop nuclear weapons in the future?
I really need to re-read that framework. I completely missed the "Iran can develop nuclear weapons" part.
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