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Old 07-22-2015, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Oh...so I'm a "boy" now, huh? Really?

Anyway, you're saying that because the Iranians chose a cabal of tyrants to run the country for the last 35 years, the United States was right in installing their previous government and overthrowing the one before that?

Talk about "ignorant!"

So the Iranians say death to America, and you start crying crocodile tears? Why do you care about them liking you? What difference does it make whether they hate America or not?
The Iranian regime has had a multitude of time and consideration to put aside historical differences and make itself an ally. They chose the ladder, sponsor terrorism, human rights abuses domestically and abroad and pursue interests contrary to U.S policy. The United States has settled historical differences with European countries as Israel settled historical differences with Egypt and Jordan through Camp David. The Iranian teenager preaching death to America is not protesting because of the U.S involvement with the Shah. Ignoring the spiritual, political and theological supreme leaders call for nuclear genocide of two U.N Charter Members is foolish thinking just because of a controversial U.S historical mishap.
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Old 07-22-2015, 07:24 AM
 
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Some context:How many nations has Iran attacked vs. America?
If America announced today that all United States Military outposts in the middle east will be closed do you believe the middle east would stabilize ?
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Old 07-22-2015, 07:26 AM
 
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Obama gave them what belongs to them. We gave them nothing that belongs to us.

Don't know why you'd be offended at "Death to America" when your country screamed "Death to Iranian Democracy" back in 1953 when we overthrew their government and installed our own. Because you know...we knew what's best for them just like we knew what's best for the Vietnamese, Iranians and Afghans.

You install a brutal dictator and support him for 25 years, train his secret police to carry out assassinations and oppress the people, and they're supposed to LOVE YOU?

Only Americans can be that arrogant.
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Let's not forget the Iran-Iraq war where the US armed, encouraged and supported Saddam Hussein and has the blood of a million Iranians on its hands. The United States is behind horrible atrocities committed against the Iranian people and Americans seem totally ignorant of that fact. What makes it even worse is that we are on the wrong side of right in the middle east. The Iranians are the good guys. The Saudis are the one promoting genocide, ISIS and international terror - not necessary the government, but the wealthy in Sunni countries. Iran has been fighting it.
America backed Osama Bin Laden against the Russians.

America needs to MIOB.

Get out.
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Old 07-22-2015, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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If America announced today that all United States Military outposts in the middle east will be closed do you believe the middle east would stabilize ?
Nope, it would implode just like Iraq.
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Old 07-22-2015, 07:28 AM
 
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Originally Posted by desertdetroiter View Post
Oh...so I'm a "boy" now, huh? Really?

Anyway, you're saying that because the Iranians chose a cabal of tyrants to run the country for the last 35 years, the United States was right in installing their previous government and overthrowing the one before that?

Talk about "ignorant!"

So the Iranians say death to America, and you start crying crocodile tears? Why do you care about them liking you? What difference does it make whether they hate America or not?
That is only the Iranian government who says DTA.

The Iranian people actually accept many aspects of western culture.. well the liberal Iranian people anyway. There are a good number of them and hopefully they rise up soon.
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Old 07-22-2015, 08:41 AM
 
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That is only the Iranian government who says DTA.

The Iranian people actually accept many aspects of western culture.. well the liberal Iranian people anyway. There are a good number of them and hopefully they rise up soon.
Perhaps. But I don't see why Americans should lose sleep over who runs Iran. If things get bad enough, they'll run the mullahs out of power.

Again, the Iranians put these people in charge of the country with their eyes wide open. I watched it all happen on TV in 1979. I remember all the people in the streets when Khomeini disembarked from his plane.

The people established a mullahtocracy...and it's up to them to end it. If it means blood on the streets of Tehran, then so be it. Millions may have to die there in a bloody civil war.

But you can best bet that I won't be losing sleep over it.
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Old 07-22-2015, 08:51 AM
 
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The Iranian regime has had a multitude of time and consideration to put aside historical differences and make itself an ally. They chose the ladder, sponsor terrorism, human rights abuses domestically and abroad and pursue interests contrary to U.S policy. The United States has settled historical differences with European countries as Israel settled historical differences with Egypt and Jordan through Camp David. The Iranian teenager preaching death to America is not protesting because of the U.S involvement with the Shah. Ignoring the spiritual, political and theological supreme leaders call for nuclear genocide of two U.N Charter Members is foolish thinking just because of a controversial U.S historical mishap.
Oh, THEY should put aside historical differences and just forget having their government overthrown and replaced by a brutal dictatorship so that the British government could loot the country of its oil wealth, huh? Yeah...set these little historical differences aside, right? Because hey...it was all just a silly mistake. Let's just pretend that it never happened. Hahahaaa...heeheeheeee!

Oh but wait..let's also forget the American proxy war against Iran too. Yeah...nevermind all the poison gas attacks, and the hundreds of thousands of young Iranian men killed in a war that their nation didn't even start with Iraq. Let's just set that aside and bytch about Iranian proxies...because only Iran does evil things around the world.

Yeah...let's set aside historical differences. Because you know...they were small things that didn't really hurt anyone.

Gotta love the arrogance of some people.
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Old 07-22-2015, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Well that didn't' take long. The ink isn't even dry on the Iran nuke deal, you know the deal where America from a position of power bent over to appease Iran....

Even after giving Iran everything they want and not even asking them to return the 4 American prisoner they are holding the Iranian leader makes this statement.

Nuclear deal will not change Iran's relations with U.S.: supreme leader



So when will Obama and Kerry learn that giving someone everything they want does not obligate them to like you.

Man oh man...

Is that little screed detached from reality.

Carry on.

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Old 07-22-2015, 08:57 AM
 
Location: PA
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As a dictator and crazy person (ruling IRAN) you have 2 goals DONT SHOW WEAKNESS to your people.
Encourage the illusion of power and "enpowering the people" with a nuke and or America is weak. "death to america"

American President appears weak, because he is weak, american people know it, but Obama wont be president forever :-)
This is the IRAN nuke deal.
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Old 07-22-2015, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Oh, THEY should put aside historical differences and just forget having their government overthrown and replaced by a brutal dictatorship so that the British government could loot the country of its oil wealth, huh? Yeah...set these little historical differences aside, right? Because hey...it was all just a silly mistake. Let's just pretend that it never happened. Hahahaaa...heeheeheeee!

Oh but wait..let's also forget the American proxy war against Iran too. Yeah...nevermind all the poison gas attacks, and the hundreds of thousands of young Iranian men killed in a war that their nation didn't even start with Iraq. Let's just set that aside and bytch about Iranian proxies...because only Iran does evil things around the world.

Yeah...let's set aside historical differences. Because you know...they were small things that didn't really hurt anyone.

Gotta love the arrogance of some people.

Argument has no validity to the topic at hand. This isn't about America overthrowing the Shah 35 years ago. Iran gets a pass of its violations and threats of genocide because of a suppose historical wrong in its history? Does that make sense to you? Should I put this into perspective or no? Native American kills a white man in a bar his ancestors took over his land hundreds of years ago? According to you, this would be a justifiable attack. If you do not find this scenario justifiable, then you would simply be a hypocrite.

So throwing out all the Ad homeniums and unrelated excuses for Iranian violations that you and others use, Iran is in violation of the NPT and UNSC resolutions. There non-compliance of the agreements and genocidal threats are treated as equal partners in this P5+1 deal. Iran has been given its right to privacy of its nuclear program which is against NPT regulations. This deal does nothing to prevent Iran from the bomb because their are no surprise inspections, only with a 24 day notice. You can only blame historical U.S imperialism so much when the government in question is not violating human rights laws against its own people or threatening nuclear annihilation of YOUR country.
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