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Old 07-19-2015, 08:50 AM
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The O/P's contention is; this home movie clip provides proof of the insidious nature of "socialism" vis-à-vis the "nanny state". Completely ignores all of the facts evident, during and after, that period in history being those that would support her being a tough, fair and capable leader among any one would care to compare her to.

Think about this for a moment:

A point that, any kind of socialistic policy is automatically going to result in creation of "rivalries" being made solely on the basis of a eighty year old home movie clip of a 7 year old using a salute first depicted in a 1784 painting "The Oath of Horatii" and much later used by Italy's 'Il Duce' Mussolini years before being adopted by Hitler as proof positive.

Could it possibly get any more ridiculous in the history of providing causative relationship evidence than that silliness?
Mussolini, the editor of Italy's most widely circulated socialist newspaper of the time, Avanti! (Forward!)?

https://www.google.com/search?q=forw...IVyB8eCh3Kcwxy

https://www.google.com/search?q=forw...+forward+msnbc

https://www.google.com/search?q=forw...ard+propaganda

I don't say it provides proof of causation, only correlation, to those who would never believe despite 100 years of Democratic Kampuchea and Vietnam, and Dung and Jiang (and Brezhnev), and Shining Path and MRTA, and MPLA and UNITA, that statist-intensive leftist societies have a rich history of later internecine factional socialist rivalry; and that the familial circumstances illustrated in the royal archive reinforce by association that, across the channel, Germany's leader was every bit the progressive leftist that his NSDAP calling card advertised to his own strident socialist base.

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Old 07-19-2015, 09:13 AM
 
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It's no secret that Prince Edward was a Nazi sympathizer. You know what they say, "You can take the girl out of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld, but you can't.... well you know the rest.
Oh for heaven's sake:

How JFK secretly ADMIRED Hitler: Explosive book reveals former President's praise for the Nazis as he travelled through Germany before Second World War | Daily Mail Online

'Fascism?' wrote the youthful president-to-be in one. 'The right thing for Germany.'
In another; 'What are the evils of fascism compared to communism?'
And on August 21, 1937 - two years before the war that would claim 50 million lives broke out - he wrote: 'The Germans really are too good - therefore people have ganged up on them to protect themselves.'
And in a line which seems directly plugged into the racial superiority line plugged by the Third Reich he wrote after travelling through the Rhineland: 'The Nordic races certainly seem to be superior to the Romans.'
He also declared; 'Who has visited these two places (Hitler's mountain retreat at Bergestradden and a tea house built for him near there) can easily imagine how Hitler will emerge from the hatred currently surrounding him to emerge in a few years as one of the most important personalities that ever lived.' Well he had that last one right at least!

You can take the son out of the racist senior Jew hater but you can't take the Kennedy out of.....well.....you obviously didn't know the rest......

Plenty of questionable DNA to focus on closer to home before casting aspersions across the pond, wouldn't you agree?
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Old 07-19-2015, 09:23 AM
 
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Mussolini, the editor of Italy's most widely circulated socialist newspaper of the time, Avanti! (Forward!)?

https://www.google.com/search?q=forw...IVyB8eCh3Kcwxy

https://www.google.com/search?q=forw...+forward+msnbc

https://www.google.com/search?q=forw...ard+propaganda

I don't say it provides proof of causation, only correlation, to those who would never believe despite 100 years of Democratic Kampuchea and Vietnam, and Dung and Jiang (and Brezhnev), and Shining Path and MRTA, and MPLA and UNITA, that statist-intensive leftist societies have a rich history of later internecine factional socialist rivalry; and that the familial circumstances illustrated in the archive reinforce that Germany's leader was every bit the progressive leftist that his NSDAP calling card advertised to his own strident socialist base.
You get tacit agreement from me but;

Teddy Roosevelt

Republicans Bash Obama For His Socialism While Hiding Their Own - Forbes

Perhaps I'm assisting you in making your point, albeit with a broader brush?
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Old 07-19-2015, 09:29 AM
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You get tacit agreement from me but;

Teddy Roosevelt

Republicans Bash Obama For His Socialism While Hiding Their Own - Forbes

Perhaps I'm assisting you in making your point, albeit with a broader brush?
GOP followers of Keynes also happen to be neocons, leftists, aka Rockefeller Republicans.
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Old 07-19-2015, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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It's shocking given the anti-German sentiment in the UK between the wars.
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Old 07-19-2015, 10:05 AM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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I think the UK enduring a lot of suffering from the Nazi Germans ... the Blitz, etc.

British military valiantly fought to defeat Germany in WW2.

The US was Britain ally in WW2.

I hope nobody forgot that.
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Old 07-19-2015, 10:17 AM
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I think the UK enduring a lot of suffering from the Nazi Germans ... the Blitz, etc.

British military valiantly fought to defeat Germany in WW2.

The US was Britain ally in WW2.

I hope nobody forgot that.
I hope nobody forgets this:

"First, the Nazi regime reenacted in 1938 strict gun control
laws and regulations that required licensing and reporting for the acquisition, transfer, or
carrying of handguns, and for dealing and manufacturing in firearms and ammunition.78
In this respect, the Nazis had in place stringent gun regulation, including strict reporting
requirements. Second, the Nazi gun laws of 1938 specifically banned Jewish persons
from obtaining a license to manufacture firearms or ammunition.
...
Four,
approximately eight months after enacting the 1938 Nazi gun laws, Hitler imposed
regulations prohibiting Jewish persons from possessing any dangerous weapons,...."

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/files/files/67-harcourt.pdf

Or this:

_"Doctors' kitchen knives ban call"_
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm

This is a public health problem. Can Brits responsibly handle kitchen knives? Hard to say.

Will the socialist U.K. meet its knife amnesty?

"Violent Britain: Vast haul of [sharp] weapons renews calls for tighter controls 9 Kitchen knife in family tragedy"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/po...s-1325322.html
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Old 07-19-2015, 10:20 AM
 
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Looks like lots of people were taken in by Hitler in the early days. Hope and Change. Sound familiar?
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Old 07-19-2015, 11:52 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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All this mocking of HM Queen Elizabeth II as a "socialist" is hilarious when you consider that she is probably one of very few 88 year old's that still work full time. Her love for her country and her dedication to the British people is incredible. I only wish we could have a leader with as much class and integrity as Elizabeth.

Instead we have Bozo and Michelle
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Old 07-19-2015, 11:56 AM
 
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I really have to wonder how you people can keep coming up with this stuff without getting embarrassed.
We try harder?

Another example:

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