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Old 07-20-2015, 02:09 PM
 
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God help me, lol, but I agree with Obama on this subject. What we were doing for the last 50 years was not working.
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Old 07-20-2015, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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God help me, lol, but I agree with Obama on this subject. What we were doing for the last 50 years was not working.
How was it not working? We isolated Cuba and demonstrated overwhelmingly that totalitarian dictatorships cannot operate a viable economy. That the geriatric Castros are still in power is not the fault of the US. It is the stupidity of the Cuban people to believe that America was on the verge of attacking them -- 50 years after the Bay of Pigs. If Cuba failed to prosper under the Castro regime, exactly why should we help them gain wealth? Why should we rescue a dictatorship which has poured abuse on us for fifty years, murdered dissidents, denied their people basic human rights and treated its own citizens as prisoners?

The comments in this thread mocking American fears of Cuba (which did in fact obtain nuclear weapons and begged the Russians to let them use them), while ignoring the ongoing, and apparently eternal, false paranoia generated by the Castro regime, are beneath contempt.

And all of the joy expressed about traveling to Cuba for vacations would be tempered by the realization that Cubans can never visit our country, at the risk of arrest and imprisonment by the Castro regime, if the posters expressing such happiness would reflect on the hypocrisy of enjoying onesself among what amounts to an island of political prisoners. But that would require the ability to discern the difference between right and wrong...
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Old 07-20-2015, 02:49 PM
 
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How was it not working? We isolated Cuba and demonstrated overwhelmingly that totalitarian dictatorships cannot operate a viable economy. ...
China has operated a viable economy while being totalitarian because they are not a tiny country that has a massive superpower 90 miles off of it's shores enforcing a crippling embargo. ...what the US demonstrated is that they keep a country in the stone ages by exerting its economic and military might..like anyone doubted that it could?
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Old 07-20-2015, 03:06 PM
 
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How was it not working? We isolated Cuba and demonstrated overwhelmingly that totalitarian dictatorships cannot operate a viable economy. That the geriatric Castros are still in power is not the fault of the US. It is the stupidity of the Cuban people to believe that America was on the verge of attacking them -- 50 years after the Bay of Pigs. If Cuba failed to prosper under the Castro regime, exactly why should we help them gain wealth? Why should we rescue a dictatorship which has poured abuse on us for fifty years, murdered dissidents, denied their people basic human rights and treated its own citizens as prisoners?

The comments in this thread mocking American fears of Cuba (which did in fact obtain nuclear weapons and begged the Russians to let them use them), while ignoring the ongoing, and apparently eternal, false paranoia generated by the Castro regime, are beneath contempt.

And all of the joy expressed about traveling to Cuba for vacations would be tempered by the realization that Cubans can never visit our country, at the risk of arrest and imprisonment by the Castro regime, if the posters expressing such happiness would reflect on the hypocrisy of enjoying onesself among what amounts to an island of political prisoners. But that would require the ability to discern the difference between right and wrong...
Our policy never hurt the Castros, it hurt the people. I think the old policy was worth trying in the 60s, but after 50 years we were going nowhere. Unexpected things can happen....this policy may bring results the Castro brothers do not expect. We shall see. It's a roll of the dice.
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Old 07-20-2015, 03:07 PM
 
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...what the US demonstrated is that they keep a country in the stone ages by exerting its economic and military might..like anyone doubted that it could?
In revenge for threatening to incinerate us.

I'd say those two shriveled up old Stalinist prunes got off easy.

A REAL President would have demanded an abject apology from the Castros, their immediate resignations, and the end of restrictions on information, investments, and travel for the Cuban people -- before even considering letting them open their garbage dump travel agency in the US.

But no. We're stuck with Obama and lurch (Kerry). Having lost their patrons in Moscow and Caracas, the Castros hit the jackpot with President Zero and the butt-kisser of Tehran.
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Old 07-20-2015, 03:11 PM
 
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In revenge for threatening to incinerate us.

I'd say those two shriveled up old Stalinist prunes got off easy.

A REAL President would have demanded an abject apology from the Castros, their immediate resignations, and the end of restrictions on information, investments, and travel for the Cuban people -- before even considering letting them open their travel agency in the US.

But no. We're stuck with Obama and lurch (Kerry). Having lost their patrons in Moscow and Caracas, the Castros hit the jackpot with President Zero and the butt-kisser of Tehran.
53 years of no progress and you want more.
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Old 07-20-2015, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Our policy never hurt the Castros, it hurt the people. I think the old policy was worth trying in the 60s, but after 50 years we were going nowhere. Unexpected things can happen....this policy may bring results the Castro brothers do not expect. We shall see. It's a roll of the dice.
No, the Castros hurt the people. And THEY were going nowhere. We have done just fine in the past fifty years, or haven't you been paying attention?

And exactly why should we be " rolling the dice"? What exactly do we owe Cuba aside from laughing at its incredible stupidity and hatefulness? The foreign policy of the United States should benefit the United States, first and foremost. Helping a regime stay in power that oppresses its own people and defiantly states that it will never change is a fool's policy. Which is appropriate, since it is the product of Obama and Kerry.
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Old 07-20-2015, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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It's ridiculous that it took so long to normalize relations with Cuba...it's the only good thing I can think of that Obama's actually done in his Presidency.
The people of Cuba get screwed over once again and the Castro brothers and communism are rewarded. Barack is a bozo.
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Old 07-20-2015, 03:18 PM
 
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53 years of no progress and you want more.
Progress for whom? America is second to none in so many ways, it's no contest. Cuba is a garbage dump masquerading as a prison.

You want no progress? Ask Raul why his people can't access the internet, open a grocery store, or visit Miami. Or find a generator for a 1959 Nash.

Gahd, the ignorance on this Forum is unbelievable.
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Old 07-20-2015, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, FL
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This thread could benefit from a couple of pertinent facts:

1 -- the embargo was not imposed because of an American temper tantrum. It was the result of the Castro regime nationalizing American owned property, mostly that of American oil companies. Whether or not you like oil companies, it was outright theft.

2 -- if Cuba has remained in the Stone Age its not because of the Embargo. Europeans and other Latin nations have been trading with Cuba for quite awhile. The Mexicans in particular have sunk hundreds of millions into Cuba.

3 -- in 2000, Bill Clinton relaxed the embargo to allow sales of medicine and food to Cuba. Cuba initially refused to accept the accommodation. Thereafter, the U.S. became (and remains? not sure) the largest exporter of agricultural goods to Cuba.
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