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Look, I'm not going to get into a petty debate. A warming planet can very easily create brutally intense winters in some places. I don't know if this past one in Boston is a result of that but that basic concept has been known for decades.
All these matters are well addressed by credible scientific organizations. The scientific process isn't about one scientist. It works out individual bias and human error over time, over thousands of studies. I've never put much stock in predictions of any sort, be they economic, weather or scientific, but reconstructions have all shown the same warming trend and that the earth is currently - not forecast - warming even faster than initially thought because of the impact of increased dark surfaces that are speeding the process.
Studies of shifting wildlife ranges, plant and tree ranges, all show a warming planet. Ice core and geological samples going back millions of years show the difference between this current change in climate and others driven by natural causes.
It's time to stop pretending this isn't happening.
And to date, none of the predictions have come to pass.
The answer is we don't. But that doesn't bother maniacal busybodies who want to run everyone's lives even if their life is a mess.
The sky is falling. </sarcasm>
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And to date, none of the predictions have come to pass.
Why?
Actually, the models have been surprisingly accurate. CO2 emission is near their worst-case predictions. The Earth is warming faster than initially predicted. Vegetation ranges are shifting and diseases / pests are spreading more rapidly. Droughts and intense heat has increased. Sea levels are currently rising 80% faster than median predictions with a lot of evidence pointing to the notion that we underestimated future rise because they were cautious.
Actually, the models have been surprisingly accurate. CO2 emission is near their worst-case predictions. The Earth is warming faster than initially predicted. Vegetation ranges are shifting and diseases / pests are spreading more rapidly. Droughts and intense heat has increased. Sea levels are currently rising 80% faster than median predictions with a lot of evidence pointing to the notion that we underestimated future rise because they were cautious.
It's a complicated science, though so not every prediction will come to pass.
Now, does all that mean we should cripple the economy to stop it? Of course not, but that's a policy discussion for a different day.
None of the models work, Bluefly. You're living in an alternate reality. The 2007 BBC link to Climate scientists hailed as working in the forefront of the pseudoscience predicting no summer ice by 2013 proves it even again.
Also warming doesn't produce cooling. You don't make chilled regions; cold happens when heat is removed. Basic physics.
Simultaneous to 20 year summer-ice extremes in Canada, Australia is experiencing the coldest winter in years.
None of the models work, Bluefly. You're living in an alternate reality. The 2007 BBC link to Climate scientists hailed as working in the forefront of the pseudoscience predicting no summer ice by 2013 proves it even again.
Also warming doesn't produce cooling. You don't make chilled regions; cold happens when heat is removed. Basic physics.
Simultaneous to 20 year summer-ice extremes in Canada, Australia is experiencing the coldest winter in years.
Yours is a common but understandable misunderstanding of climate and weather among laypersons.
Scientists have known for decades that we would see more extreme weather, not warmer weather. A warming planet most certainly does produce extreme cold weather. Shifting ocean currents, wind patterns, more moisture in the air from melting ice... The fact you posted some weather reports shows that you are jumping to conclusions based on profoundly false assumptions.
It's like that naïve congressman who brought a snowball into the Capitol. He simply had not idea - or chose to ignore based on his political supporters' self interest - that global warming can dump massive amounts of snow in an area.
As for the rest, they've reconstructed models many times and all of them are very close to one another.
Deniers always point to one group of scientists or such, not realizing there's thousands upon thousands of studies from many different fields saying the same.
The predictions largely underestimated what we are witnessing right here, right now, 1.4 degrees warmer, rising sea levels, and all.
Scientists have known for decades that we would see more extreme weather, not warmer weather. A warming planet most certainly does produce extreme cold weather. Shifting ocean currents, wind patterns, more moisture in the air from melting ice... The fact you posted some weather reports shows that you are jumping to conclusions based on profoundly false assumptions.
It's like that naïve congressman who brought a snowball into the Capitol. He simply had not idea - or chose to ignore based on his political supporters' self interest - that global warming can dump massive amounts of snow in an area.
As for the rest, they've reconstructed models many times and all of them are very close to one another.
Deniers always point to one group of scientists or such, not realizing there's thousands upon thousands of studies from many different fields saying the same.
The predictions largely underestimated what we are witnessing right here, right now, 1.4 degrees warmer, rising sea levels, and all.
The canon was that "greenhouse gas" emissions would cause warmer temps that in turn would result in weather extremes like, e.g., more frequent and stronger hurricanes. Because these middling students watched vortices of steam swirl over their ramen.
Not only did it not happen, but hurricane incidences are at a 35 year low; Florida hasn't had one in over a decade.
Those ocean currents? (The ones a true "modeler" wouldn't able to figure out because they're so dependent on unseen vents and fissures on massive scales dynamically opening and closing thousands of feet below sea level, not to mention altered by the rapid, and accelerating magnetic pole shift.) Those ocean currents are a hell of a lot colder in the Arctic and Hudson Bay this summer. It's under all the ice.
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You do realize none of this matters. In only 5 billin years the Sun is going to BLOW Up!
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