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[quote=LIS123;43181666]People ARE NOT dying in the streets in the US. When was the last time you say someone dying in the streets? I'm sure it happens here and there but it's not the norm, not by a long shot. If I asked everyone I know, I doubt any of us have witnessed it. It happens b/c of violence, accidents, etc. but it certainly doesn't happen (very often at least) b/c we're non compassionate as a nation and our taxes are too low.
I'm leaning towards Trump as well but hate when he takes a false premise propagated by the left.
First off, we already have a massive welfare state and it has not reduced poverty levels. It's, what, $22 Trillion in direct transfer payments since The Great Society started. I don't recall Cruz saying he's comfortable with people dying in the streets but the point is that, if we reduced the size and scope of government and freed up the economy, we'd have economic growth (unlike what we have now) which would benefit people at all levels. The reason all benefits now go to the top is b/c the government is so big we just have cronyism and corporatism whereby they have clout with the government. The rest of us are stuck holding the bag.
If you're able to produce a clip of Cruz saying he's comfortable with people dying in the street in an attempt to reduce federal spending, please share.[/QUOTE. If you saw the last RNC debate you saw Cruz and Trump exchange about whose replsponsabality it is to pay for those who cannot health care.Trump boiled it down to the logical bottom line. If the govt doesnt take the duty to pay for some peoples health care people will die on the street. Cruz attempted to inteject about whose responsabality it is and tried to label Trump as a socialist. Trump responded that Cruz can call it what ever he wants but no one will die on the street if he ' s president. It boils down the argument to govt has a role or doesnt. Cruz in purest logic would be theopposite of Trumps. You can infer what you like from Cruzs position. I have concluded he couldnt give a crap for those who cant pay their own bills. What would you conclude ?
People ARE NOT dying in the streets in the US. When was the last time you say someone dying in the streets? I'm sure it happens here and there but it's not the norm, not by a long shot. If I asked everyone I know, I doubt any of us have witnessed it. It happens b/c of violence, accidents, etc. but it certainly doesn't happen (very often at least) b/c we're non compassionate as a nation and our taxes are too low.
I'm leaning towards Trump as well but hate when he takes a false premise propagated by the left.
First off, we already have a massive welfare state and it has not reduced poverty levels. It's, what, $22 Trillion in direct transfer payments since The Great Society started. I don't recall Cruz saying he's comfortable with people dying in the streets but the point is that, if we reduced the size and scope of government and freed up the economy, we'd have economic growth (unlike what we have now) which would benefit people at all levels. The reason all benefits now go to the top is b/c the government is so big we just have cronyism and corporatism whereby they have clout with the government. The rest of us are stuck holding the bag.
If you're able to produce a clip of Cruz saying he's comfortable with people dying in the street in an attempt to reduce federal spending, please share.[/QUOTE. If you saw the last RNC debate you saw Cruz and Trump exchange about whose replsponsabality it is to pay for those who cannot health care.Trump boiled it down to the logical bottom line. If the govt doesnt take the duty to pay for some peoples health care people will die on the street. Cruz attempted to inteject about whose responsabality it is and tried to label Trump as a socialist. Trump responded that Cruz can call it what ever he wants but no one will die on the street if he ' s president. It boils down the argument to govt has a role or doesnt. Cruz in purest logic would be theopposite of Trumps. You can infer what you like from Cruzs position. I have concluded he couldnt give a crap for those who cant pay their own bills. What would you conclude ?
I conclude that there is no constitutional right to healthcare, which is a service that costs money to provide. When people have a right to healthcare, it means that others are forced to pay for it and have no say in the manner. You and I don't know each other nor are we obligated to pay each other's bills for medical care or anything else.
It should come from ... where ? I give people money every day.
Family, private individuals, employers. If you recall, I've always advocated for unions and fair labor practices. I believe that the government's role is to foster a beneficial environment for middle- and lower-classes rather than be the financier of a welfare state which encourages sloth, self-loathing, poor life choices and generational poverty.
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I bet I wouldnt want Cruz making those choices. I actually think Trump is the best Republican choice.
I view wacko Christian religionists the same way I do wacko Muslims. If Cruz is the nominee, I'll sit this one out unless he somehow ends up facing Sanders. I wouldn't vote for Hillary under any conditions, and Cruz only if Marxist socialism is the alternative.
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Nonsense. Airborne can volunteer at the PAl. I will continue to give thru charitable contributionsat work, and all of us do something as well.
Personally I prefer veterans, animals and environmental causes, but I'll work with poor youth in the future when my own children are older.
I say education should not be free, but healthcare should definitely be. There should be no one left behind. Sanders is the only person that is effectively adressing the healtcare issue. If the patient has no insurance, it should be the governments responsbility to pay for cancer treatment. This is coming from a Trump supporter. The only area socialism does wonders is healthcare. Take France, Denmark,Cuba as examples.
Even in my home country, healthcare is better than US if you have no money. The government will give you a special card, and with that card you can get any treatment you want. The country in question is Turkey, definitely not a developed country. If Turkey can do it, so can US.
I say education should not be free, but healthcare should definitely be. There should be no one left behind. Sanders is the only person that is effectively adressing the healtcare issue. If the patient has no insurance, it should be the governments responsbility to pay for cancer treatment. This is coming from a Trump supporter. The only area socialism does wonders is healthcare. Take France, Denmark,Cuba as examples.
Even in my home country, healthcare is better than US if you have no money. The government will give you a special card, and with that card you can get any treatment you want. The country in question is Turkey, definitely not a developed country. If Turkey can do it, so can US.
Healthcare cannot be free. Nothing that costs money can be free. How can a hospital pay its employees, pay utilities, purchase supplies, cover its legal costs/insurance, and remain in business if they treat everyone for free? The answer is they can't.
Something is not free if the government pays for it. The government gets money through taxes (and borrowing, QE, etc.) so it needs to obtain that money through higher taxes (or a weaker currency, in the case of QE).
Socialism doesn't do wonders for healthcare -- look at the VA. Our healthcare system is messed up b/c the government has been meddling in it so much. Health insurance wasn't as expensive as it is not before the government got involved in the healthcare market (making it less of a market to begin with).
There is very little that is done better by the government than by the market. The one area where the government is absolutely best suited to provide the service/product is national defense/security, which is the one area government is neglecting -- just look at the border. Remember this: if there's only one area where the government is constitutionally authorized to act and where it's best suited to act, it would be national defense and security. However, government is doing a very poor job at that and intentionally neglecting security on the southern border as it benefits politicians.
The bigger the government gets, the less it performs core duties (infrastructure, etc.) well. Look at NYC -- the taxes are outrageous, while the schools, MTA, infrastructure, etc. are all terrible. Not only is the government here too large, but it's also designed to buy off the unions at our expense. We get very little in the way of so called government services for the amount we pay in taxes here.
Healthcare cannot be free. Nothing that costs money can be free. How can a hospital pay its employees, pay utilities, purchase supplies, cover its legal costs/insurance, and remain in business if they treat everyone for free? The answer is they can't.
Something is not free if the government pays for it. The government gets money through taxes (and borrowing, QE, etc.) so it needs to obtain that money through higher taxes (or a weaker currency, in the case of QE).
Socialism doesn't do wonders for healthcare -- look at the VA. Our healthcare system is messed up b/c the government has been meddling in it so much. Health insurance wasn't as expensive as it is not before the government got involved in the healthcare market (making it less of a market to begin with).
There is very little that is done better by the government than by the market. The one area where the government is absolutely best suited to provide the service/product is national defense/security, which is the one area government is neglecting -- just look at the border. Remember this: if there's only one area where the government is constitutionally authorized to act and where it's best suited to act, it would be national defense and security. However, government is doing a very poor job at that and intentionally neglecting security on the southern border as it benefits politicians.
The bigger the government gets, the less it performs core duties (infrastructure, etc.) well. Look at NYC -- the taxes are outrageous, while the schools, MTA, infrastructure, etc. are all terrible. Not only is the government here too large, but it's also designed to buy off the unions at our expense. We get very little in the way of so called government services for the amount we pay in taxes here.
Primary, Middle School, and High school education is free for everyone in this country. We end up paying for it through taxes. It should be the opposite, Education should be directly paid for out of our pocket.For those with no employment or insurance healthcare should be free paid by the state. Im not saying it should be free for everyone. Only the homeless, and those without insurance which probbaly make up 20% of the society at most.
Healtcare system in this country is a mess, the deductables are off the roof. We spend the most money on healtcare, but get the least back in return. It is very badly managed.
Of course. Imagine if people actually thought for themselves, drawing on intelligence and experience, instead of relying on a bunch of internet baloney. Perish the thought.
It's true 'cause I found it on the internet. Right ?
Didnt you guys watch the last debate ? Just watch it, its on you tube.
Healthcare cannot be free. Nothing that costs money can be free. How can a hospital pay its employees, pay utilities, purchase supplies, cover its legal costs/insurance, and remain in business if they treat everyone for free? The answer is they can't.
Something is not free if the government pays for it. The government gets money through taxes (and borrowing, QE, etc.) so it needs to obtain that money through higher taxes (or a weaker currency, in the case of QE).
Socialism doesn't do wonders for healthcare -- look at the VA. Our healthcare system is messed up b/c the government has been meddling in it so much. Health insurance wasn't as expensive as it is not before the government got involved in the healthcare market (making it less of a market to begin with).
There is very little that is done better by the government than by the market. The one area where the government is absolutely best suited to provide the service/product is national defense/security, which is the one area government is neglecting -- just look at the border. Remember this: if there's only one area where the government is constitutionally authorized to act and where it's best suited to act, it would be national defense and security. However, government is doing a very poor job at that and intentionally neglecting security on the southern border as it benefits politicians.
The bigger the government gets, the less it performs core duties (infrastructure, etc.) well. Look at NYC -- the taxes are outrageous, while the schools, MTA, infrastructure, etc. are all terrible. Not only is the government here too large, but it's also designed to buy off the unions at our expense. We get very little in the way of so called government services for the amount we pay in taxes here.
Have you dealt with private companies ? They been providing quality service ?
What does that have to do with ILLEGALS? Being Hispanic does not make one ILLEGAL. It is a strange conflation only made by those who are supposedly against racism. Weird.
For some reason liberals assume all Hispanics are illegal. At least when they use Hispanics as pawns.
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