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Old 07-27-2015, 03:08 PM
 
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Question: What do you do if Iran says, stick your agreement where the sun don't shine, withdraws from the NPT and goes about its happy nuclear business, then what?
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Old 07-27-2015, 03:10 PM
 
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In bold are the Obama red lines.
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If Obama-Kerry would have even come close to staying within their red lines, this would have been a much better deal.
What document did you get those "red lines" from?
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Old 07-27-2015, 03:16 PM
 
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Question: What do you do if Iran says, stick your agreement where the sun don't shine, withdraws from the NPT and goes about its happy nuclear business, then what?
They are never gone withdraw from NPT unless explicitly attacked by a Major Power like Russia, United States , U.S, Britain or France.

That is when they have justification to show that hey we need nuclear weapons to have some kind of deterrence factor.
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Old 07-27-2015, 03:18 PM
 
Location: USA
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And you guys want to elect Trump, the great white hope. Someone who has absolutely no experience in any phase of diplomacy, foreign relations, government or Washington, DC.
Nice try but not a Repub. Former Dem and it's obvious that your "great white hope" isn't going anywhere, but Obama still doesn't have the experience to do his job unless you think that installing Corrupt Chicago politicians in key gov positions, smoking dope, going on a world wide apology tour, and listening to Racist sermons for 20 years gives him some sort of insight. He is a pretty good apologist though
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Old 07-27-2015, 03:22 PM
 
Location: LA, CA/ In This Time and Place
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Think about it, Iran could have nukes in two months. Which is better, dealing with Iran in two months or holding it back for 15 years, say the year 2030?

We need to learn from our mistakes, and if Iran cheats or does something brash, they will lose this golden opportunity. Then we and our allies will have ample proof to sanction the hell out of them and punish them.
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Old 07-27-2015, 03:24 PM
 
Location: LA, CA/ In This Time and Place
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Question: What do you do if Iran says, stick your agreement where the sun don't shine, withdraws from the NPT and goes about its happy nuclear business, then what?
Sanction them and let them die off economically. Really if the sanctions did not work, Iran would not be at the table. There is a reason why Iran asked for all sanctions to be lifted as soon as possible, because- they were having an effect on their economy.

In this stand off only Iran and it's people were suffering, not us. So we really have nothing to lose.
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Old 07-27-2015, 03:40 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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Do you think all of those countries are weak, naive, or less knowledgeable on foreign relations than you and the silly poster with the picture above?

Everyone thought that Chamberlain was world class intelligent PM and leader at the time, and history was not kind to his legacy. The deal is a crap shoot and could go in any direction with the extremely volatile parties involved. A monkey spinning a wheel could do as well as the US, China, Russia or France.
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Funny, Stalin, Edvard Beneš, Clement Attlee nor even Édouard Daladier thought so at the time.



What's the crap shoot? Iran is suspected of abrogating the agreement, the world returns to the current status quo which is about as much a crap shoot, if not less so.


I agree with TheWiseWino. Who cares about what people did or didn't think about Chamberlain - it has got literally nothing to do with this situation, or this President.

I would also echo his question: what's the crap shoot? Be specific please..
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Old 07-27-2015, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Sanction them and let them die off economically. Really if the sanctions did not work, Iran would not be at the table. There is a reason why Iran asked for all sanctions to be lifted as soon as possible, because- they were having an effect on their economy.

In this stand off only Iran and it's people were suffering, not us. So we really have nothing to lose.

Sanctions work to a certain degree economically and far from perfect but it certainly didn't prevent nuclear arms and that is the goal.
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Old 07-27-2015, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Humboldt Park, Chicago
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Except Neville C. loved his country unlike Barry O.
As often as possible, you bring up Obama's alleged lack of "love" and "passion" for his country.
Are you a teenage girl? Because we are talking about politics, not high school crushes.
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Old 07-27-2015, 08:16 PM
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Location: Suburban Dallas
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This could go a number of different ways. I still believe that Darth Barry wants to use our enemies to attack our nation as quickly as possible as part of his silly "fundamental transformation". It's only a matter of time to see exactly how Iran will respond.
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