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Someone acts like a dickweed and it's OK to kill them? Man, you have some serious issues. I hope you aren't a LEO.
Yes, if you act like a belligerent dick and threaten a police officer out in the wild, you have no complaint when you are shot dead. It’s called having a brain.
The real problem is way too many Americans still think they have Constitutional rights. They need to get over that illusion and then they won't get summarily executed roadside.
The real problem is way too many Americans still think they have Constitutional rights. They need to get over that illusion and then they won't get summarily executed roadside.
Cops get their kicks from harassing people that have done nothing wrong.
And what do criminals get their kicks from? Completely destroying the lives of good people. I’m glad we have cops to keep us safe from the miscreants. Fortunately, the people in this country who actually count generally support the police.
And what do criminals get their kicks from? Completely destroying the lives of good people. I’m glad we have cops to keep us safe from the miscreants. Fortunately, the people in this country who actually count generally support the police.
You handle police stops your way, I’ll handle them my way. You clearly do not understand the Constitution, or even governance. My way works well, and I am still a free citizen last time I looked. If you get shot being belligerent and mouthing off to a cop at 3AM on some dark road after you attracted his attention with something that indicates to him that you might be committing a crime, then you deserve it, and I will support the cop, not you. It is my right to support the police, who I view as good, and who save people’s lives every day at their own risk. If I am stopped and they ask me who I am and what I’m doing, I will put them at ease by telling them the truth and supplying my stupid license and registration. We will then wish each other safety and wellness, and carry on with our lives. That’s the way it works for rational good people who understand the nuance of different situations.
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Originally Posted by Quick Enough
A lot of posters on here don't know what the hell they are talking about, like the 1 you responded to.
I watch a LOT of Live PD shows. I suggest those who THINK they know the laws should watch some and get educated.
actually you guys need to read up on court rulings. start with terry v ohio where the courts ruled that in order for the police to ID you they must first have reasonable articulable suspicion that you have or are committing a crime, otherwise the stop is in fact a mutual stop and you do not have to ID yourself even in stop and ID states.
also read up on the laws in your state regarding cops requiring ID from you. you will find that what i said is indeed true. for instance texas law(not a stop and ID state) 38.02 requires that you be properly arrested before you are required to present ID. in arizona, a stop and ID state, 13-2412 states-
13-2412. Refusing to provide truthful name when lawfully detained; classification
A. It is unlawful for a person, after being advised that the person's refusal to answer is unlawful, to fail or refuse to state the person's true full name on request of a peace officer who has lawfully detained the person based on reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime. A person detained under this section shall state the person's true full name, but shall not be compelled to answer any other inquiry of a peace officer.
note the bolded part that REQUIRES that the LEOs have a reasonable suspicion that the person in question is committing, has committed, or is about to commit a crime. they CANNOT stop someone based on "suspicious" activity, or an "investigation" since they are NOT crimes. the officer MUST articulate a crime, and not a secondary crime either such as refusal to ID or obstruction. it MUST be a primary crime robbery, assault and battery, etc.
same with a traffic stop. the cop must tell you WHY he stopped you before asking for ID.
No it doesn't matter what rights we "think" we have because the side of the road isn't a court room where that gets decided. Even if you think your rights are being violated you are still going to be arrested, even if they are. A court will decide if they were or not. Some people (not you) think that if you just tell a cop that he/she is violating your rights that they are supposed to take your word for it and cease and desist their attempts at arresting you. I have no idea where this thinking comes from.
While what you may does makes sense, there is violating one's constitutional rights from a legal standpoint and violating them from a practical standpoint.
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