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Old 08-25-2015, 08:44 AM
 
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Are you not aware that some women are serial aborters? They cant be bothered with birth control, too inconvenient.
Would you prefer that those "serial aborters" had all of those children instead? If they are too irresponsible to use birth control, what kind of mothers do you think they would make? And who do you think would end up footing the bill for supporting all those children? If you are prepared to force women to carry every single pregnancy to term, I hope you are also prepared to pay a whole lot more in taxes for the welfare benefits that will be required to care for all those unwanted, unsupported children. But most likely, like most right-wingers, once they are born you don't consider it your problem any longer.

 
Old 08-25-2015, 08:47 AM
 
Location: North America
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Would you prefer that those "serial aborters" had all of those children instead? If they are too irresponsible to use birth control, what kind of mothers do you think they would make? And who do you think would end up footing the bill for supporting all those children? If you are prepared to force women to carry every single pregnancy to term, I hope you are also prepared to pay a whole lot more in taxes for the welfare benefits that will be required to care for all those unwanted, unsupported children. But most likely, like most right-wingers, once they are born you don't consider it your problem any longer.
She is on the anti choice field. In their mind people should just always consider adoption is all. They think that it's the end all be all to choices.
 
Old 08-25-2015, 09:00 AM
 
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But your statement implying that serial aborters are a significant problem is, indeed, an opinion - not a fact - and that is the post to which I was replying.

97% of PP's activities have nothing to do with abortion. In a number of states, PP has no facilities that perform abortions. But, hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your "opinion."
In 2011, of women who had abortions, women with one or two prior abortions accounted for roughly 37%, and women with three or more prior abortions accounted for around 9%. You can decide whether women like that are 'serial aborters' or a 'significant problem.'

That only 3% of PP activities are abortions is one of the greatest misleading stats of all time.
 
Old 08-25-2015, 09:21 AM
 
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And? Who friggin cares if they are? I think it's stupid because of the health risks involved, but ultimately it's their choice.
Yes, 'ultimately' it's the woman's choice. It's legal. Sadly, there are conservative RW Christian busybodies like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama who espouse the weird view that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. Crackpots like them should mind their own friggin business. One, 10, 20 abortions, ultimately it's the women's choice.
 
Old 08-25-2015, 09:50 AM
 
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Yes, 'ultimately' it's the woman's choice. It's legal. Sadly, there are conservative RW Christian busybodies like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama who espouse the weird view that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. Crackpots like them should mind their own friggin business. One, 10, 20 abortions, ultimately it's the women's choice.
Yes, it is, because it is her body and hers alone. Glad you finally get it.
 
Old 08-25-2015, 10:52 AM
 
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Yes, it is, because it is her body and hers alone. Glad you finally get it.
I've gotten it all along, which is why I oppose Roe v Wade's viability standard. 'Her body, her choice' should not be restricted to pre-viability abortion on demand. Her body is still her body post-viability, so it should it should still be her choice.
 
Old 08-25-2015, 11:37 AM
 
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In 2011, of women who had abortions, women with one or two prior abortions accounted for roughly 37%, and women with three or more prior abortions accounted for around 9%. You can decide whether women like that are 'serial aborters' or a 'significant problem.'
I don't consider "serial aborters" a significant problem. If these women have decided that they're unfit to be mothers - for whatever reasons - who am I to argue with them?
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That only 3% of PP activities are abortions is one of the greatest misleading stats of all time.
If you have verifiable stats to the contrary, please post them.
 
Old 08-28-2015, 09:17 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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BTW Ellis, have you done your part to fight the population decline?

How many kids do you have? 6? 8? 10?
The screen name I have chosen to post under was Emily Bronté's pseudonym.

To answer your personal question ... 7 pregnancies, three children survived. One of which is a daughter, who has blessed me with three grandchildren.

The Reproductive Revolution: How Women Are Changing the Planet's Future - Scientific American

"Aisha, Miriam and Akhi are three young factory workers in Dhaka, the capital of Bangladesh. They are poorly educated and badly paid. But, like millions of other young women, they relish their freedom from the stultifying conformity of rural life, where women are at the constant beck and call of fathers, brothers and husbands."
 
Old 08-28-2015, 09:31 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Really? Is it really the contention of the anti-abortion crowd that there is any serious problem with lower populations? The world population is exploding -- For the last 50 years, world population multiplied more rapidly than ever before.
Yes, if we combine the world's population. Could be the reason for lax immigration laws and the influx allowed migration to occur and asylum given to refugees by the numbers in the EU.
However:
Why Declining Fertility Rates Are Not A Good Thing

"NEARLY half of all people now live in countries where women, on average, give birth to fewer than 2.1 babies — the number generally required to replace both parents — over their lifetimes."

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The economy in countries with a declining population could face some issues with the rise in the older population, leaving the job market and subsequently dying out.

The 'need' to fund abortion services is just not there any more. More Women have chosen not to get pregnant.
 
Old 08-28-2015, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Florida
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All American women should be entitled to taxpayer funded abortion services and contraception, period. It's not even debatable. If you don't want to have an abortion, then DON'T GET ONE. All healthcare should be funded by all Americans, whether it's an abortion or cancer treatment, period.

This country needs to get with the damn times already and stop acting like provincial people set in their damn ways, who want to impose their beliefs on everyone else.
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