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Old 09-07-2015, 02:02 PM
 
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I have a question. The lefts argument for defending PP is that it provides affordable healthcare for women. But isn't that the job of Obamacare? Isn't the ACA meant to provide affordable healthcare for ALL americans regardless of race, age, gender, sexual orientation, social economical status? If we already have a government system put in place to provide affordable health care (to women too), then why does the government need to fund Planned Parenthood? Shouldn't women be able to get mammograms and other things using the ACA at clinics and hospitals and doctor's offices?

I just don't understand why the government has to fund 2 different health care systems, especially one that has proven to sell fetal tissue for profit. You can say it is used for Stem Cell research but that isn't the problem. It's that PP is a non profit organization that is profiting off selling aborted babies specimens, which is INHUMANE.

This just shows that Obamacare doesn't work.
Anyone who has paid attention knows that many people (women included) have incomes that are too low to qualify for ACA subsidies. These people rely on Medicaid services for much of their health care. The ACA provides funding for expanded Medicaid services, which would help those people (women included) get access to necessary health services. However, in an effort to thwart the ACA in any and every way possible, most red states have refused to accept the additional funding (such as the state in which I live, Florida), which leaves the very poor with a void in their access to health services. PP fills that void for many low income men and women.

That you believe that PP was actually making a profit from selling "aborted baby specimens," in spite of the myriad reports stating the videos (including the "unedited" ones) were manipulated and should not be believed ('Sting' Videos Of Planned Parenthood Are Totally Manipulated, Forensic Analysis Finds), just shows that for some people, brains cells don't work.

 
Old 09-07-2015, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I don't mean to be blunt but you are not telling the truth when you say you've read all the comments. If you had, the educated conclusion one would come to is this: Abortion babies ~ 30-36 wks for the sole purpose of "harvesting" their newborn body parts for profit is WRONG. That is the jest of our problem. Genghis Khan was a nun compared to these soulless things.
A drama queen is someone taking rumor and innuendo as fact and running with it to incite emotions and create drama.

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Old 09-07-2015, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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You did.

Didn't..... I compared the right to choose treatment.



By comparing someone who has prostate cancer (that one can't prevent) and an unwanted pregnancy (that one can prevent in plenty of ways).

Again, I didn't compare conditions, I compared the ability to choose treatment.



If the "treatment" of an unwanted pregnancy is a private choice one makes and not the business of politicians and the government….then abortions should not be funded through PP or any other entity (obamacare) with federal tax dollars.
Medicare, Medicaid......government funded and do not compromise a patient's right to privacy.
 
Old 09-08-2015, 12:02 AM
 
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Didn't..... I compared the right to choose treatment.
Did. By comparing an unpreventable scenario to a more than preventable scenario.

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Again, I didn't compare conditions, I compared the ability to choose treatment.
Pregnancy isn't an issue that needs "treatment". It's not a disease.


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Medicare, Medicaid......government funded and do not compromise a patient's right to privacy.

So now you're going to spin the word "privacy"?

When did Medicare and Medicaid become non-profit brick and mortars that receive funding from tax payers dollars? And perform controversial "private procedures" that polarize an entire country?

Stop comparing apples to oranges.

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Old 09-08-2015, 08:58 AM
 
Location: California
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A drama queen is someone taking rumor and innuendo as fact and running with it to incite emotions and create drama.
Rumors are created with those two things you shovel food in. Have you even watched the videos?

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Old 09-08-2015, 09:57 AM
 
Location: California
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Medicare, Medicaid......government funded and do not compromise a patient's right to privacy.
Look up the term spin doctor. You have a PHD...
 
Old 09-08-2015, 11:03 AM
 
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Rumors are created with those two things you shovel food in. Have you even watched the videos?
you have a credible link to your assertion women get abortions at week 30 to 36 just to donate their babies organs to PP so they can sell them? I'll wait.......
 
Old 09-08-2015, 01:19 PM
 
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Rumors are created with those two things you shovel food in. Have you even watched the videos?
The videos have been manipulated by the anti-abortion CMP to fool the gullible. http://ppfa.pr-optout.com/ViewAttach...nFMCvK5fVC8%3d

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Old 09-08-2015, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Did. By comparing an unpreventable scenario to a more than preventable scenario.

Pregnancy is hardly the only medical condition that is preventable.

Here are a few: diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease......often preventable by simple lifestyle changes.

Many times treatment is paid for by taxpayers in the form of Medicare/Medicaid. Those patients do not give up their right to privacy, their choice of treatment is not dictated by government.

Pregnancy isn't an issue that needs "treatment". It's not a disease.

Pregnancy is most certainly a medical condition that requires treatment, if it isn't, there sure are a lot of doctors and hospitals perpetrating fraud.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/01/he...anted=all&_r=0

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Childbirth in the United States is uniquely expensive, and maternity and newborn
care constitute the single biggest category of hospital payouts for most
commercial insurers and state Medicaid programs. The cumulative costs of approximately four million annual births is well over $50 billion.
That sure is a lot of medical treatment being provided by health insurance companies and TAXPAYERS.

So now you're going to spin the word "privacy"?

How am I spinning the word privacy? Ever hear of HIPAA? What's that all about?

When did Medicare and Medicaid become non-profit brick and mortars that receive funding from tax payers dollars? And perform controversial "private procedures" that polarize an entire country?

Trying to move the goalposts? Why?

Stop comparing apples to oranges.
Not apples to oranges, spot on. Women deserve the same right to privacy that men enjoy when making medical choices.

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Old 09-08-2015, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by Iluvmycountry View Post
Look up the term spin doctor. You have a PHD...
So, if patient's medical bills are paid by Medicare/Medicaid, they do not have a right to privacy?

They lose their right to make medical decisions? Their doctor's do not give them choice?

How so?
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