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Old 07-29-2015, 10:41 AM
 
Location: TN/NC
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The problem is that these are just hippy dippy college liberal "cause" based things.

The basis of real "leftist" thought has nothing to do with trans-sexuals and Styrofoam cups. It's about wealth and how it is generated.
But it's often the same advocates talking out of both sides of their mouth.
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Old 07-29-2015, 10:43 AM
 
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But it's often the same advocates talking out of both sides of their mouth.

Big corps eliminate Styrofoam cups for PR reasons. Stuff like that and diversity training only has 2 reasons: PR, and trying to avoid lawsuits. No one in upper management at a bank is a "leftist".
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Old 07-29-2015, 10:43 AM
 
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The Democrats love bashing corporate America and businesses of all sizes and types. They are the enemy of capitalism and free enterprise. Still, when you go into any company of significant size today, most have adopted left wing programs, from endless "sensitivity training" to different sorts of "cultural celebration months." It seems to me that, in many ways, the left-leaning thinking already permeates corporate America.

Why is this conveniently overlooked or not acknowledged?

Its not over looked. Conservatives constantly whine and cry about this.
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Old 07-29-2015, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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The Democrats love bashing corporate America and businesses of all sizes and types. They are the enemy of capitalism and free enterprise. Still, when you go into any company of significant size today, most have adopted left wing programs, from endless "sensitivity training" to different sorts of "cultural celebration months." It seems to me that, in many ways, the left-leaning thinking already permeates corporate America.

Why is this conveniently overlooked or not acknowledged?
Columnist Tim Carney addressed the question of why the alliance between big business and liberalism is so often downplayed/ignored. Carney wrote what should have been a landmark book in 2006: The Big Ripoff: How Big Business and Big Government Steal Your Money.
Book Discussion Big Ripoff | Video | C-SPAN.org

Carney quotes the adage that "the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist." Similarly the greatest trick pulled by modern liberalism was convincing the world that big government and big business were at perpetual war when the truth is just the opposite.

The system we have now is neither socialism nor a free market. It is corporatism, AKA fascism. We do have a healthy dollop of socialism thrown in, thanks to the rise of the public sector union over the last 50 years.
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Old 07-29-2015, 11:09 AM
 
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Still, when you go into any company of significant size today, most have adopted left wing programs, from endless "sensitivity training" to different sorts of "cultural celebration months." It seems to me that, in many ways, the left-leaning thinking already permeates corporate America.

Why is this conveniently overlooked or not acknowledged?
I think what is actually happening is that many companies have realized that its far more profitable to limit conflict and create programs that encourage people to get along.

While I think these programs have very little impact, (example, if you hate gays, you arent really going to go to a sensitivity program and accept that you should love gays), but it makes those going to the programs feel like they are having an impact, and they become happier, and thus more productive, profitable to the corporation.

Henry Ford started a 40 hour work week, (although the Unions, try to claim they are responsible, even though they came along much much later). he did so in order to keep his factories running on 8 hour shifts, and thus he was able to make more money..

In the end, it all comes down to profits..
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Old 07-29-2015, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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The Democrats love bashing corporate America and businesses of all sizes and types. They are the enemy of capitalism and free enterprise. Still, when you go into any company of significant size today, most have adopted left wing programs, from endless "sensitivity training" to different sorts of "cultural celebration months." It seems to me that, in many ways, the left-leaning thinking already permeates corporate America.

Why is this conveniently overlooked or not acknowledged?
It's faux-outrage to the politicians on the left only because their voting base hates corporations; while standing in lines to buy their beloved (slave made) Apple products.

Politicians on the left and right depend on corporations, banks, and Wall Street... equally!

Two sides of the same political class coin.
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Old 07-29-2015, 12:17 PM
 
Location: CO
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The Democrats love bashing corporate America and businesses of all sizes and types. They are the enemy of capitalism and free enterprise. Still, when you go into any company of significant size today, most have adopted left wing programs, from endless "sensitivity training" to different sorts of "cultural celebration months." It seems to me that, in many ways, the left-leaning thinking already permeates corporate America.

Why is this conveniently overlooked or not acknowledged?
Many of these programs are aimed at liability quarantine.

Didn't realize defensive systems in advance of legal actions was a 'liberal' program.

How a safety move can be perceived as political reveals how little you understand about corporations.

Congratulations.

/threadfail
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Old 07-29-2015, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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As soon as prospective corporate employees leave the minimally-structured environment of a campus and enter the private sector, there are several painful lessons to be learned: that the corporate world is essentially a dictatorship; that the average white-collar workplace resembles nothing so much as a junior high school classroom, that the workday is just a "big long first period", and that the only grades given out are 'D' and 'F'. The possibility that you will be able to structure your job around your lifestyle, instead of the opposite, is so slight as to be nonexistent.

And for better or for worse, the leveling of the playing field by removing most of the obstacles to minorities and women has mostly served to provide the corporate schlockmeisters with an inexhaustible supply of fresh meat.
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Old 07-29-2015, 12:53 PM
 
Location: London
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The Democrats love bashing corporate America and businesses of all sizes and types. They are the enemy of capitalism and free enterprise. Still, when you go into any company of significant size today, most have adopted left wing programs, from endless "sensitivity training" to different sorts of "cultural celebration months." It seems to me that, in many ways, the left-leaning thinking already permeates corporate America.

Why is this conveniently overlooked or not acknowledged?
It's feel-good PR fluff in an attempt to compensate for/disguise the fact that they mostly are *not* progressive in action.

That and to avoid lawsuits.

But talk is cheap.
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Old 07-29-2015, 01:00 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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The Democrats love bashing corporate America and businesses of all sizes and types. They are the enemy of capitalism and free enterprise. Still, when you go into any company of significant size today, most have adopted left wing programs, from endless "sensitivity training" to different sorts of "cultural celebration months." It seems to me that, in many ways, the left-leaning thinking already permeates corporate America.

Why is this conveniently overlooked or not acknowledged?


Your title "serious conversation" is about as oxymoronic as it gets! Democrats are not the enemy of capitalism - very few would promote a different economic system. Even Karl Marx (you know him right?) acknowledged that is the best system for creating wealth and lifting people out of poverty. American Democrats usually suggest more regulations and controls on it than their republican counterparts though.

As for sensitivity training, diversity training, or cultural awareness - that is just the reality of the world we live in. The more you can connect with the people you work with, for or around then the better you can influence. It is not a political point - an economic one.
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