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Old 07-29-2015, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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We are carrying too much fiscal spending in relation to tax income, yes. But we have to be careful not to compare public debt with private debt. Lets be honest, the goal should not be to pay down our debt - the goal should be to set the country on a more sustainable fiscal and economic path. The US has a robust enough economy and the potential to do that easily with some adjustments to policy making. Unfortunately, we have had two fiscally irresponsible Presidents in a row that have not addressed the issues that need addressing.
Not to mention a dysfunctional Senate under both Reed, and now McConnell, and a circus of a house under both Pelosi and now John "TanMan" Boehner.

We will never get on track without having a government that works as it should; which it does not.

I actually miss the Clinton, Gingrich, and Lott/Dole era. I really really really miss the Reagan/O'Neil era.



I miss optimism and a time when being anally PC wasn't the most important thing in peoples lives
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Old 07-29-2015, 04:53 PM
 
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Then why do they have so many avowed socialists among their supporters?
Democrats also have Silicon Valley in their corner.

Same reason a very moderate president like Reagan has so many extremist conservatives in their corner. We only have two parties so everyone fits in one.

The governing Democrats are very moderate. Governing Republicans used to be moderate but they've had to fight off an extremist flank of radicals who don't understand governance is compromise.
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Old 07-29-2015, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Democrats also have Silicon Valley in their corner.

Same reason a very moderate president like Reagan has so many extremist conservatives in their corner. We only have two parties so everyone fits in one.

The governing Democrats are very moderate. Governing Republicans used to be moderate but they've had to fight off an extremist flank of radicals who don't understand governance is compromise.
Oh please!!!

I see your radical right and raise you progressive liberals

These extremists won't even allow a Democrat to say that Black AND White lives are important.
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Old 07-29-2015, 05:08 PM
 
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Oh please!!!

I see your radical right and raise you progressive liberals

These extremists won't even allow a Democrat to say that Black AND White lives are important.
Yeah, there's folks like that but they don't have nearly the power as the fringe on the right do.

I do think it's silly 9
O'Malley had to apologize for that but I saw someone liken it to saying "save the rain forests" doesn't mean all other forests don't matter. I don't know. Overreaction either way
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Old 07-29-2015, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Yeah, there's folks like that but they don't have nearly the power as the fringe on the right do.

I do think it's silly 9
O'Malley had to apologize for that but I saw someone liken it to saying "save the rain forests" doesn't mean all other forests don't matter. I don't know. Overreaction either way
I think you're underplaying the role the radical left have over the party.

Pelosi, a devout Catholic, couldn't even say the word "God" for fear of offending them.
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Old 07-29-2015, 05:42 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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Not to mention a dysfunctional Senate under both Reed, and now McConnell, and a circus of a house under both Pelosi and now John "TanMan" Boehner.

We will never get on track without having a government that works as it should; which it does not.

I actually miss the Clinton, Gingrich, and Lott/Dole era. I really really really miss the Reagan/O'Neil era.



I miss optimism and a time when being anally PC wasn't the most important thing in peoples lives


You must not have seen the Clint Eastwood Superbowl ad. Fantastic!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iXdsvgpwc8
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Old 07-29-2015, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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OK .... let's draw another parallel from Mr. Eastwood's persona; specifically his no-nonsense detective "Dirty Harry" Callahan.

Like Harry, I want to get things done; to "smash" cases rather than break them. And I don't want to be encumbered by a nebulous script in the process. I usually have the technical background to deal with the subject at hand in a few minutes, if the issue is well-defined and in writing.

But if I work in law, or accounting, or a lot of other professions, that issue is usually being presented to me through the viewpoint of an outsider, and more often than not that person is elderly, or not well-versed in the subject. And until about a generation ago, if the client was a woman, it was even harder to separate the facts from the fluff.

So in order to get to ten minutes worth of substance, I have to present an hour of form -- feigning interest in the pictures of the grandchildren, promising to read a Bible tract --whatever. I am, in effect, a slightly more sophisticated form of flunky, doing for $20/hour what my employer is billing at $100/hr. I might also have to furnish the trappings of my own subjugation -- expensive, uncomfortable, non-tax-deductible business clothing. And my day is ruled by an appointment calendar that reminds me that things won't be much different a year from now.

But that's OK ... "We'll remember this at your next salary review." BUNK! The only thing that's likely to happen at that "review" is that whatever small portion of my autonomy I'm trying to retain will be ripped apart.

This scenario is a major component of the de-industrialization of North America that nobody wants to talk about. It's packaged in with the more positive ideals of sexual and racial equality, so that it can't be challenged. But it has become virtually impossible for a skilled knowledge worker to identify, and withhold the portions of his/her input that actually "deliver the goods", or to call a respectful "stop", when a customer expects too much, or seeks to waste the time of a junior employee with unnecessary window-dressing.

I don't know how the markets can be harnessed to correct this imbalance; I'm just grateful that I'm now retired and out of it.
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Old 07-29-2015, 06:54 PM
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The left is the champion of a Big Government that it well knows is stuffed with so much public tax cash that only it is capable of allocating capital to crony corporations.

Progressives know this.
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Old 07-29-2015, 07:02 PM
 
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The left is the champion of a Big Government that it well knows is stuffed with so much public tax cash that only it is capable of allocating capital to crony corporations.

Progressives know this.
Yes all progressives know this

And the left is all for crony corporations...Meanwhile the right is not is your implication correct?

Who here thinks the right is not for crony capitalism? Raise yoour hand!

Right.

In point of fact, the top republican candidates are meeting with corporate america this next week to find out which one of them will be funded.

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