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View Poll Results: The author of the article made a great case for an open border
YES 4 5.71%
NO 62 88.57%
The devil is in the details (Maybe) 4 5.71%
Voters: 70. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-29-2015, 02:45 PM
 
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put the laws in place and abide by them.....
The laws are already in place, but our government CHOOSES not to enforce them.
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Old 07-29-2015, 10:08 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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This article is ridiculous. Open borders would be devastating to all social safety nets. It doesn't take a genius to realize that most of the influx would be poor, low skilled immigrants. Medicaid, food stamps, section 8 housing, welfare, etc would all eventually be available to them. The country would be bottom heavy and would require huge tax increases. Add to that, the fact that takes over $10k per year to educate a child in America. My state has some cities that pay $25k per child per year. How are all of these low skilled employees going to make enough to pay enough taxes to cover their children's education? And many of them have many children. A gardener married to a housekeeper is going to pay $30K a year in taxes to pay for their 3 children to go to school? Of course not. Somebody else is going to have to pay for it. Add to that Obamacare, of which they would all be eligible. Don't we have enough poor people to take care of? Now we want to start importing tens of millions more? It would be an economic disaster. Sure, we would be raising the standard of living for all these new immigrants, but we would be lowering it for all the people who are already here. Open borders was a great idea back before these social safety nets were in place. Immigrants didn't cost anything back then. You either worked, or you starved. It could never work now.
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Old 07-29-2015, 10:11 PM
 
Location: U.S.
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What Bernie doesn't understand is that millions of illegals have kept the worker pool so high, companies don't need to pay even minimum wage to get the work done.
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Old 07-29-2015, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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Bernie Sanders's fear of immigrant labor is ugly

After reading this thoughtful intellectual case for completely open borders to America where anyone who wishes to can come visit and stay in the USA, do you support an open border?
Will no other person in any country on the planet came up with something this stupid so I'll give Ol' Mr. Socialism that much.
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Old 07-29-2015, 10:22 PM
 
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This article is ridiculous. Open borders would be devastating to all social safety nets. It doesn't take a genius to realize that most of the influx would be poor, low skilled immigrants. Medicaid, food stamps, section 8 housing, welfare, etc would all eventually be available to them. The country would be bottom heavy and would require huge tax increases. Add to that, the fact that takes over $10k per year to educate a child in America. My state has some cities that pay $25k per child per year. How are all of these low skilled employees going to make enough to pay enough taxes to cover their children's education? And many of them have many children. A gardener married to a housekeeper is going to pay $30K a year in taxes to pay for their 3 children to go to school? Of course not. Somebody else is going to have to pay for it. Add to that Obamacare, of which they would all be eligible. Don't we have enough poor people to take care of? Now we want to start importing tens of millions more? It would be an economic disaster. Sure, we would be raising the standard of living for all these new immigrants, but we would be lowering it for all the people who are already here. Open borders was a great idea back before these social safety nets were in place. Immigrants didn't cost anything back then. You either worked, or you starved. It could never work now.
Very good points. Are liberals and progressives who support mass immigration trying to bankrupt social safety nets they claim they are for? All these foreigners competing in the workforce drive down wages and the net tax revenue. It seems liberals are really just against the prosperous and white America and only for future Democrat voters.
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Old 07-29-2015, 10:23 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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I can't believe I am actually defending Bernie Sanders here, but just to be fair he was arguing against open borders. The person who wrote the article was the one arguing for open borders. In the video, he made a pretty strong argument of why we should not have open borders. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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Old 07-29-2015, 11:45 PM
 
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Bernie Sanders's fear of immigrant labor is ugly

After reading this thoughtful intellectual case for completely open borders to America where anyone who wishes to can come visit and stay in the USA, do you support an open border?
NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Our way of life has already been negatively affected by immigration. We can't have everyone in the world coming here!
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Old 07-29-2015, 11:47 PM
 
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Lump of labor fallacy

Immigration would just grow the economy, which would eventually create demand. In return, more job opportunities will be available for natives and immigrants alike.
⬆ fail.
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Old 07-30-2015, 12:28 AM
 
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Who dreams up this drivel?

Sanders is mostly right. Koch brothers for open borders? Hardly.

Lock the border down. Stop the amnesty and throw those out who violated out laws.
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Old 07-30-2015, 12:42 AM
 
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The West is in a terrible drought, so I see nothing wrong with adding 200 million more people to the western states.

We don't want to exploit fossil fuels like coal, oil and natural gas -- that hurts the environment -- but that shouldn't prevent us from adding 2 billion more people to our population.

Our national debt is $18 trillion, but if we add 2 billion people and only 5% of them go on welfare, I don't see why we can't easily afford to another 100 million people being supported by our broke-and-in-debt government.

Yeah, it all makes sense.

The pie doesn't get bigger, but 2 billion more people get a slice, and everyone goes home full and satisfied.

Makes sense to me! Not.

This article has to be the stupidest I've read in a long, long time.

The "immigration" advocates and the corporate cheap-labor greed-heads must be really desperate if they think people are going to buy this -- well, wait -- we're talking about low-info voters here...Uh, never mind.
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