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Why is a person killed by suicide a better stat than a person killed by street violence? I guess that's where I'm getting confused. If a gun was a driving factor in there being a violent, senseless death, regardless of how it happened, a gun was a driving factor for a violent, senseless death. The loved ones left behind are just as traumatized.
Obviously, when poverty is concentrated in an urban area it's incomparable to Montana or Alaska, where poverty is dispersed. Concentrating poverty in a small area is not a good policy; many cities are tearing down "projects" and integrating public housing into market-rate housing. Not without its issues, but it's much improved.
Bluefly, I wish I could measure how much my respect for you went up just for being honest. I see your point as I have had to pull the sheet over people from both types death in the ER. It hurts the mother either way, and from what I witnessed, the guilt they displayed was immeasurable.
But take this into account, I have never seen nor heard about a gun jumping off a shelf, load, aim, and fire, killing someone all by itself.
Why is a person killed by suicide a better stat than a person killed by street violence? I guess that's where I'm getting confused. If a gun was a driving factor in there being a violent, senseless death, regardless of how it happened, a gun was a driving factor for a violent, senseless death. The loved ones left behind are just as traumatized.
Obviously, when poverty is concentrated in an urban area it's incomparable to Montana or Alaska, where poverty is dispersed. Concentrating poverty in a small area is not a good policy; many cities are tearing down "projects" and integrating public housing into market-rate housing. Not without its issues, but it's much improved.
a suicide is no different than a murder, both are still the death of a human being. however the title said gun violence, and the articles that people have linked to said violent crimes. not all violent crimes involve guns. but the statistics in the article are skewed because suicides are being added into crime statistics. if you want to show gun crimes, then show just gun crimes, not the total crimes.
But take this into account, I have never seen nor heard about a gun jumping off a shelf, load, aim, and fire, killing someone all by itself.
A nuclear bomb is also very safe because by itself its an amusing rotund device incapable of hurting even an ant...until it kills hundreds of thousands of ppl when dropped on Japan. So every nation should have one.
Bluefly, I wish I could measure how much my respect for you went up just for being honest. I see your point as I have had to pull the sheet over people from both types death in the ER. It hurts the mother either way, and from what I witnessed, the guilt they displayed was immeasurable.
But take this into account, I have never seen nor heard about a gun jumping off a shelf, load, aim, and fire, killing someone all by itself.
I see your point but your second point isn't entirely true. Guns accidentally discharge all the time. My close friends saw a young man shot in the head and killed by a gun that accidentally discharged right in a home. Heck, I had a gun accidentally discharge on me just loading it with other people around. Obviously I didn't have the barrel pointed at them, but it woke me up as to how quickly you can send a bullet going without meaning to.
So, no, they didn't jump off the shelf and start firing but they did just start firing without any intention by the user. And when suicides are 3 times more likely when a gun is accessible, it does put more weight of blame on the gun itself, even with the adage "people kill people".
Again, I'm all for people having the right to bear arms with sensible regulations (some cities go way too far). I'm just talking the risk that comes with it, as the stats show homes with guns increase the risk of being shot - whether by accident, by inducing suicide, or by having the gun maliciously used against a family member.
a suicide is no different than a murder, both are still the death of a human being. however the title said gun violence, and the articles that people have linked to said violent crimes. not all violent crimes involve guns. but the statistics in the article are skewed because suicides are being added into crime statistics. if you want to show gun crimes, then show just gun crimes, not the total crimes.
Availability of a gun makes suicide easier, many after a failed attempt to take their life move on with a gun the chances decrease. But even after removing suicide I would expect that the same states remain on top.
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