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Old 07-31-2015, 06:08 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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This addresses 35 million with no insurance how? A blurb from a government subsidizes for profit company is proving what?

That I'm wrong? Please explain.
In post #16 you said "I support UHC", but you gave no information about it.

I Google searched "UHC healthcare" and the only thing that came up was uhc.com. I then posted information from their website. I assumed that was the UHC you spoke of because it sounded like 100% free market capitalism.
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Old 07-31-2015, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Switzerland is a socialist country (actually a social-capitalist country run by conservatives.)

Switzerland is the #1 performing country in the world. Their average income is double that of Americans, everyone has healthcare, there are no welfare freeloaders (yet they have a low poverty level), they have a citizen militia, government funded public gun ranges, ex.ex.

They are also the wealthiest country in the world in per capita terms, the #1 ranked competitive economy in the world, and they have lower national debt than America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switze...and_labour_law

But America's conservatives would never allow America to be like Switzerland, because the Swiss tax the rich at higher rates, and they make the rich pay more for certain things. If a very rich person in Switzerland gets a speeding ticket the fine can be up to $1 million USD.
$1 million speeding fine in Switzerland for Swedish SLS owner

But America's republicans would never allow the rich to pay more for anything. But is a $500 dollar speeding ticket enough financial incentive to make a man like Bill Gates stop speeding?
And the Swiss health system is very much like the ACA...
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Old 07-31-2015, 06:15 PM
 
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I am totally for this! This is what the middle class needs! For too long, the American people have been shafted by the obscene price gouging, inefficiencies and corruption of the health care system.

The UK uses 9% of their GDP on a popular and efficient single-payer universal health care system. That is less than American local, state and federal governments spend on health care using tax money every year. Think about that.

So many prospective entrepreneurs are fearful of starting their own business because of lack of adequate health care insurance. That is a scandal. Health care is a right for all, just like education!
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Old 07-31-2015, 06:30 PM
 
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In post #16 you said "I support UHC", but you gave no information about it.

I Google searched "UHC healthcare" and the only thing that came up was uhc.com. I then posted information from their website. I assumed that was the UHC you spoke of because it sounded like 100% free market capitalism.
Universal health care. But you knew that , you just didn't want to address my points.
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Old 07-31-2015, 07:36 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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And the Swiss health system is very much like the ACA...
"Swiss citizens are universally required to buy health insurance from private insurance companies, which in turn are required to accept every applicant...In 2012, Swiss life expectancy at birth was 80.4 years for men and 84.7 years for women- the highest in the world...However, spending on health is particularly high at 11.4% of GDP (2010), on par with Germany and France (11.6%) and notably less than spending in the USA (17.6%)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland#Health

"The Swiss healthcare system is a combination of public, subsidized private and totally private systems...The insured person has full freedom of choice among the recognised healthcare providers competent to treat their condition."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health...in_Switzerland


But the Swiss government regulates their medical corporations to keep costs low. Example, prescription drugs are cheaper in other countries compared to America, they are cheaper because governments like the Swiss will not allow a drug corporation to sell a pill for $50.00 when the pill only costs .5 cents to make.

And with the way republicans oppose regulating large corporations our medical costs are going to be high no matter what kind of healthcare system we have.
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Old 07-31-2015, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Texas
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End all the wars and foreign aid to start off paying for this and I'm in.
This.
How many other countries bleed out cash to this nonsense and then run all their social programs well and efficiently?
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Old 07-31-2015, 07:42 PM
 
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Didn't bother with the link, but since the fedguv is broke, who does Sanders plan on stealing from to fund this pipe dream?
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Old 07-31-2015, 07:44 PM
 
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Didn't bother with the link, but since the fedguv is broke, who does Sanders plan on stealing from to fund this pipe dream?
As I note in my first post...we could start with the trillions we waste on the wars and foriegn aid.
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Old 07-31-2015, 07:44 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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"Swiss citizens are universally required to buy health insurance from private insurance companies, which in turn are required to accept every applicant...In 2012, Swiss life expectancy at birth was 80.4 years for men and 84.7 years for women- the highest in the world...However, spending on health is particularly high at 11.4% of GDP (2010), on par with Germany and France (11.6%) and notably less than spending in the USA (17.6%)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland#Health

"The Swiss healthcare system is a combination of public, subsidized private and totally private systems...The insured person has full freedom of choice among the recognised healthcare providers competent to treat their condition."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health...in_Switzerland


But the Swiss government regulates their medical corporations to keep costs low. Example, prescription drugs are cheaper in other countries compared to America, they are cheaper because governments like the Swiss will not allow a drug corporation to sell a pill for $50.00 when the pill only costs .5 cents to make.

And with the way republicans oppose regulating large corporations our medical costs are going to be high no matter what kind of healthcare system we have.
The cost for drugs is in the R&D, not the production. Not to mention paying for the R&D for all the drugs that failed.

If American went to uhc, world wide medical research would stagnate. All those countries that force lower prices would no longer be on the innovation gravy train that Americans pay for through higher costs to support R&D.
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Old 07-31-2015, 07:46 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Universal health care. But you knew that , you just didn't want to address my points.
I didn't know/understand that.

Universal Health Care- "usually refers to a health care system which provides health care and financial protection to all citizens of a particular country." Obamacare is a form of Universal Healthcare.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care
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