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Affirmative Action at work.... Because of the color of one's skin, they are worthless without government...
You should be insulted.
Based upon the color of one's skin(How racist can one get)... Not the character of their being and the merits they bring to the table as an American.....
It seems your response in no way substantiates your opinion. Are you claiming affirmative action creates a victim mentality for blacks? You seem to leave out how study after study it was revealed that white women have benefited the most from affirmative action. There is verifiable data and peer reviewed studies that substantiates this fact. In my home state of California, public colleges and Universities are not allowed to use race a factor for school admissions. So affirmative action isn’t even a factor.
Why don’t conservatives attack white women about affirmative action at the same level as they do black folk? This question is rhetorical and I already know the answer…
It seems your response in no way substantiates your opinion. Are you claiming affirmative action creates a victim mentality for blacks? You seem to leave out how study after study it was revealed that white women have benefited the most from affirmative action. There is verifiable data and peer reviewed studies that substantiates this fact. In my home state of California, public colleges and Universities are not allowed to use race a factor for school admissions. So affirmative action isn’t even a factor.
Why don’t conservatives attack white women about affirmative action at the same level as they do black folk? This question is rhetorical and I already know the answer…
Cannot get more racist than that folks!!!
You made my point.
Cannot get more racist than that folks!!!
You made my point.
Dude, I didn't make your point and you can't even seem to make your own point. You talk about an entire group of Americans seeing themselves as victims and you use affirmative action as your reason. Affirmative action is not only for blacks and white women have benefited the most from affirmative action. But somehow your type ONLY attacks black folk when you critic affirmative action. Go figure...
That is because Asian-American students rose in enrollment numbers as they were no longer shafted for those with inferior credentials.
That happened because they had/have the best credentials.
As it should be.
Nice try though.
Actually, if you had bothered to look at the material in the links I provided, you'd find that Latinos had the greatest increase in enrollment numbers over time after the elimination of affirmative action at the University of California. Surprisingly, the expected increase in Asian and Asian American enrollment didn't really materialize.
"I find police or firefighter tests that are skewed against non minorities to be indefensible, but then, I see no need to defend it. And unless you can prove to me that white cops or firefighters are more competent than non white ones (and you couldn't in a million years), I'm certainly not gonna get exercised over the issue."
Admittedly, a rather rambling and slightly incoherent statement, but maybe you were angry or posting very quickly at work.
In any case, you seem to acknowledge the issue and then (as usual) dismiss its relevance while still getting excited enough to comment on it.
So, seeing as you think they are skewed, please explain exactly how. I would appreciate if you would find an actual test and go through it with us and explain why I could answer the question while a black man could not.
There was nothing incoherent about it. You just can't read. And I'm not gonna point it out for you.
You're a hopeless case. Read it again and figure it out.
Actually, if you had bothered to look at the material in the links I provided, you'd find that Latinos had the greatest increase in enrollment numbers over time after the elimination of affirmative action at the University of California. Surprisingly, the expected increase in Asian and Asian American enrollment didn't really materialize.
Nice try though.
Not as I remember it. I watched this on the news as it happened.
None the less, if Latino numbers increased as you claim, then why the need for Affirmative Action?
Besides, most of the blacks who suddenly were not let into Berkeley and UCLA through the back door ended up at Cal State campuses and did just fine.
Based on the admissions and enrollment data from 1994 to 2014, it appears that the "white students" needed affirmative action at the University of California more than anyone else.
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Besides, most of the blacks who suddenly were not let into Berkeley and UCLA through the back door ended up at Cal State campuses and did just fine.
I agree. Moreover, plenty of those black folks that didn't get into Berkeley and UCLA through the "back door" did just fine at Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia.
I agree. Moreover, plenty of those black folks that didn't get into Berkeley and UCLA through the "back door" did just fine at Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Columbia.
I doubt that, but whatever. More likely Long Beach State, Fresno State, etc. Nothing wrong with that.
As for white students getting Affirmative Action, I don't know what the hell you are talking about. AA is not for whites. Hence the existence of this thread.
I think you are making things up, including working for the president.
Based on the admissions and enrollment data from 1994 to 2014, it appears that the "white students" needed affirmative action at the University of California more than anyone else.
Plenty of sources show that prop 209 drastically lowered Hispanics and black admission and helped Asians and whites as would be expected. Schools and colleges still try to use other ways to increase the enrollment of those who are not white or E. Asian.
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So what was the impact of Prop 209 on admission rate by race? Whereas prior to Prop 209, admission rate for students regardless of race was a relatively linear, and hovered at a reasonable 75-80%, you can see an immediate stratification of admission rates following Prop 209.
Effect of Prop 209 on UC admission rates by race. Many have cited growth in number of on-campus Asian Americans and Whites following passage of Prop 209 as evidence of the bias of affirmative action against these groups; they forget that this growth is largely explained by increases in population size leading to increases in applicant pool. But, when we look at admission rate, we can see the actual impact of Prop 209 on college admission decisions. Whereas Asian and White admission rates remain largely where they were prior to Prop 209 — and more importantly not significantly increasing — there is a precipitous drop in admission rate for Black, Latino and Native American students that persists for the subsequent 15 years.
To hammer that point home, here is the change in admission rate for all races between 1997 (when affirmative action was in place) and 1998, when Prop 209 took effect.
As you can see, Prop 209 had negligible impacts on White and Asian American admission to the UC system. It had the most dramatic effect — a nearly 10-point drop — in Black, Chicano, and Native American admissions.The effect of Prop 209 has had an even more pronounced impact on UC Berkeley, which is the “crown jewel” of the UC system.
Yes, you are reading this graph right. Prop 209 resulted in a 30% drop in Black, Chicano, and Native American admission rates in a single year.
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