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Old 08-02-2015, 08:48 PM
 
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Like every other organization the EPA is only as good as the people who work for it.

I have been working fairly closely with the Underground Injection Control (UIC) branch of my region's EPA since about 1984, and the people who work there have run the gamut from true professionals who know what their job is (and what it is not), to unknowledgeable idiots who conned their way into a Government job, to well intentioned, but otherwise clueless folks who never quite realized that the EPA is in place to address certain conditions which violate laws; NOT to be the be=all and end-all environmental warriors.

Most of the people I work with, at least for any length of time have been in the "true professional" category, but the others really tend to be problems.

EPA seems to be more at the mercy of the political appointees than most other Federal agencies. There have been cases where one of them announced "findings" to studies that hadn't been conducted yet, which makes the true professionals look foolish, and tarnish the Agency's reputation unnecessarily.

There have been other cases where the EPA has asserted control over certain "waters of the United States", for example only to have the SCOTUS slap their hand for being too overreaching.
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Old 08-02-2015, 08:58 PM
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...but otherwise clueless folks who never quite realized that the EPA is in place to address certain conditions which violate laws;.....
That's one of the big problems now--they're trying to write new law, under the rubric of issuing "rules." It was never intended to be that.

The country ignores books like Robert Caro's The Power Broker at its peril.
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Old 08-02-2015, 09:02 PM
 
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That's one of the big problems now--they're trying to write new law, under the rubric of issuing "rules." It was never intended to be that.
In other words, as soon as the EPA wasn't thrilled with things like fracking, they made an enemy of the GOP. The GOP wants the EPA to just say yes to any scheme they come up with, with a nod and a wink. Because they don't, the EPA has been a GOP target. By all means, let's get rid of the EPA as long as the country knows it was the GOP that did it. When people start seeing the result, the GOP will be 100% responsible. Of course, the damage will be done and maybe some casualties, but we can end the EPA argument and what it's really about. The GOP has been against the environment for a long time. It wasn't always this way but the GOP wasn't always this way either.
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Old 08-02-2015, 09:04 PM
 
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People cried when our country converted to unleaded gasoline too. Can you imagine what our country would be like today if we all had driven cars with leaded gasoline all those years?
There would be a lot more old cars on the road. Unleaded gas is bad for car engines.
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Old 08-02-2015, 09:06 PM
 
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The people who would get rid of the EPA are stupid enough to sacrifice God knows what in the future for a couple bucks today.
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Old 08-02-2015, 09:09 PM
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In other words, as soon as the EPA wasn't thrilled with things like fracking, they made an enemy of the GOP. The GOP wants the EPA to just say yes to any scheme they come up with, with a nod and a wink. Because they don't, the EPA has been a GOP target. By all means, let's get rid of the EPA as long as the country knows it was the GOP that did it. When people start seeing the result, the GOP will be 100% responsible. Of course, the damage will be done and maybe some casualties, but we can end the EPA argument and what it's really about. The GOP has been against the environment for a long time. It wasn't always this way but the GOP wasn't always this way either.
I've outlined ways, above, that should clue you in that I'm not "against the environment." Nobody I know is.

You have to ask yourself why those issues are not on the EPA's screen--but instead issues surrounding globalist Maritime Law and the industrialization of a country are, very much so. Along with other organizations, the EPA is being orchestrated by globalists to insidiously bring the U.S. to its knees, to deindustrialize it, to immobilize it.
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Old 08-02-2015, 09:12 PM
 
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I've outlined ways, above, that should clue you in that I'm not "against the environment." Nobody I know is.

You have to ask yourself why those issues are not on the EPA's screen.
Republicans don't say they are against the environment, their actions prove it so.
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Old 08-02-2015, 09:15 PM
 
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Unleaded gas is bad for car engines.
Yeah, if your car was built in the 70's
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Old 08-02-2015, 09:17 PM
 
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There would be a lot more old cars on the road. Unleaded gas is bad for car engines.
More conservatives too. Lead causes brain damage and dementia.
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Old 08-02-2015, 09:21 PM
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In other words, as soon as the EPA wasn't thrilled with things like fracking, they made an enemy of the GOP. The GOP wants the EPA to just say yes to any scheme they come up with, with a nod and a wink. Because they don't, the EPA has been a GOP target. By all means, let's get rid of the EPA as long as the country knows it was the GOP that did it. When people start seeing the result, the GOP will be 100% responsible. Of course, the damage will be done and maybe some casualties, but we can end the EPA argument and what it's really about. The GOP has been against the environment for a long time. It wasn't always this way but the GOP wasn't always this way either.
You are not aware that Barack Obama is pro-fracking?

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...aces-fracking/

It's an administration cabinet level position. It only does what the boss wants.
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