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Old 08-05-2015, 08:14 AM
 
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Sets off a nuke WHERE?
I know for you as long as they don't attack your house, your all good.

some of us are a bit more concerned about this interesting thing called FRIENDS.

on that issue, I suspect you don't think Israel is worthy of the title.


There are some facts that are worthy of consideration by everyone but you.

1. Iran is going to get a nuke because we just gave them one.
2. Iran has made daily proclamations of their desire to destroy both Iran and America since about 1979.
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Old 08-05-2015, 08:38 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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You are repeating the falsehood that the choice is either accepting this utter capitulation or going to war. That is FEAR-MONGERING.

This is not only a response to you, but to all those who claim that the choice was either THIS diplomacy or war. That's NOT what the choice was.

Obama, commendably, at one point had the Iranian regime almost on its knees due to the imposition of very effective sanctions. The regime had no choice other than to negotiate. But they came to negotiations with the attitude that THEY had the upper hand when actually it was the other way around. THEY were the ones dictating the terms of a deal. And THIS is where Obama made a HUGH mistake. He immediately crossed the red lines that he himself had defined prior to negotiations. And those red lines were essential for a good deal. The negotiations then had a basis which inevitably led to a bad deal.

The alternative to all of this was NOT war, as you claim. The alternative set of actions was this: When the regime came to negotiations with their demands which crossed Obama's own red lines, Obama should have stopped negotiations. There was considerable room for further sanctions and for removing the many violations of existing sanctions. That would have put more pressure on the regime. The regime's primary concern above all was and is to stay in power. Heavier sanctions would have threatened that hold on power. The result would have been that they came again to the negotiating table but this time ready to talk based on Obama's terms. That would have led to a good deal.

So the choice was not this deal or war. The choice was this deal or a deal which could truly stop the Islamic regime from attaining: $200 billion to further advance its openly declared goal of hegemony over the region (it already controls four Arab capitals), advanced weapons, even longer range ballistic missiles (including an ICBM) capable of being tipped with a nuclear warhead, 24 days notice of suspected violations, eventual lifting of all restrictions, and ultimately the bomb.

And if this weren't bad enough, there are secret annexes. The existence of secret (i.e. "classified") annexes was not denied by Kerry in his testimony before Congress. See:
No Holds Barred: Iran deal secrets slowly leaking out - Opinion - Jerusalem Post

And by the way, your statement that "We are making this deal with the secular government of Iran........Iran is not a theocracy" indicates an incredible level of ignorance regarding the nature of the Iranian regime. There is NO secular government of Iran! All decisions, certainly including the decisions that led to this American capitulation, ARE REQUIRED TO BE APPROVED BY THE SUPREME LEADER. The Supreme Leader is the head mullah. The formal name of the Iranian state is The Islamic Republic of Iran.
The ignorance behind such a statement should make anyone question the validity of any claim you make.

Excellent post!
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Old 08-05-2015, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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They support it precisely because it is the right thing to do. Are you privy to some information that they are not?
Nope. We will see how much longer they will support it.. Especially when Iran continues to arm insurgents in the Sinai to kill its soldiers.
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Old 08-05-2015, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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No Clearly you are not interested in the truth. because you Admit that they are not talking about destruction in Terms of Weapons of Mass Destruction but rather regime change.

but then you keep on claiming nuclear annihilation! But i guess in your book the goal justifies the means (lying)

if they wanted to nuclear annihilation They could have very easily bought a few dirty bombs in Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Siberia, Kazakhstan, Uzbakistan and handed to some mindless brained washed kid from Hamas and had him blow it up in a bus.

It has not been a very difficult thing to do but it has been 35 years since that regime has been in power and they have chosen not do such a thing ("nuclear annihilation").

They have been Aiding Hezbollah For years and years. Hezbollah has fought Israeli troops in southern Lebanon for more than 30 years. Hezbollah has been in very tough situations in Certain Battles.
Have they ever used Chemical or biological Agents? The answer is No. Even the Israeli say so.

They have had 35 years of opportunity to "destroy Israel" via physical means yet they haven't done it.

But to hell with the Truth. to get more $$$ as Military or Economic Aid to Israel it is justifiable to lie.
Oh and then sell a few billion more useless weapons to Saudis and Emirates to ensure there is a military "balance".

The "Defense" Industry makes money like bandits. The American people pay the bill.

I understand where you are coming From.
You can't be this thick headed?

Iran does not have nuclear weapons at this moment. Iran has never had nuclear weapons at this point. So logically, Iran does not have the capabilities to destroy Israel with nuclear weapons.

Iran has made genocidal threats to Israel in the mean time. Iran has surpassed binding agreements to produce nuclear weapons. Iran has made threats of nuclear annihilation once they complete their nuclear weapon program. The Ayatollah has now written a book about its planned strategy to destroy Israel and the U.S.

What does we not understand here?
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Old 08-05-2015, 09:54 AM
 
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You can't be this thick headed?

Iran does not have nuclear weapons at this moment. Iran has never had nuclear weapons at this point. So logically, Iran does not have the capabilities to destroy Israel with nuclear weapons.

Iran has made genocidal threats to Israel in the mean time. Iran has surpassed binding agreements to produce nuclear weapons. Iran has made threats of nuclear annihilation once they complete their nuclear weapon program. The Ayatollah has now written a book about its planned strategy to destroy Israel and the U.S.

What does we not understand here?
That you are being trolled by the Ayatollah.
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Old 08-05-2015, 10:01 AM
 
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I know for you as long as they don't attack your house, your all good.

some of us are a bit more concerned about this interesting thing called FRIENDS.

on that issue, I suspect you don't think Israel is worthy of the title.


There are some facts that are worthy of consideration by everyone but you.

1. Iran is going to get a nuke because we just gave them one.
2. Iran has made daily proclamations of their desire to destroy both Iran and America since about 1979.
Israel is a "friend?" Of whom exactly?

Even if they are, so what? Are they they only friend we have in the whole world? If not, are we supposed to cut deals in the interest of all our other "friends" too?

I care about one country, and it's called the United States of America! All others mean nothing to me.
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Old 08-05-2015, 10:13 AM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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Nope. We will see how much longer they will support it.. Especially when Iran continues to arm insurgents in the Sinai to kill its soldiers.


They support it. What about that don't you understand?
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Old 08-05-2015, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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That you are being trolled by the Ayatollah.
Sure. That's what they said about the little man with a funny looking mustache in Germany.

Anyway troll... The Ayatollah published a book that disagrees with your patsy playing.
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Old 08-05-2015, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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They support it. What about that don't you understand?
I am sure what we read in open source information is not always correct. It illogical to believe that Egypt will support a deal that will give Iranian nuclear weapons 10 years once the deal expires. A country on top of it, that gives money to islamists in order to kill Egyptian soldiers.
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Old 08-05-2015, 11:55 AM
 
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Sure. That's what they said about the little man with a funny looking mustache in Germany.

Anyway troll... The Ayatollah published a book that disagrees with your patsy playing.
That German guy published a book too.
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