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Old 08-03-2015, 09:58 AM
 
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The only reason most Republicans are against it is because this was negotiated by a team set up under a Democratic administration. If it were a Republican in the WH, they would be all for it and the Dems would be against it. The gripes from either side of the room ring as hollow as their convictions (or lack thereof).
I'll go further...

Any agreement that precludes a war from breaking out will be opposed by Republicans.

I'm sorry, but they were against ANY agreement no matter how good or bad it may have been. Right wingers showed their hands on this point a long time ago.
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Old 08-03-2015, 10:05 AM
 
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What's right, not what's popular? "Popularity" is subjective and is beholden to the motives of those in charge. You are 100% in the wrong if you don't think that the "popularity" of this "deal" is anything more than a legacy item on Barack Obama's Exit Interview.
Huh? The popularity lies on the side of those who prefer war over diplomacy. Obama stood for what was right - knowing the complexity of the situation around Iran far better than his detractors. Just listen to the hearing. Their rebuttals are child like in their lust for war.

The people opposing the deal mostly haven't read it and don't deal often with foreign relations and complex thought on the mstter. People study years to understand these situations. That's why we elect representatives to put the time in and learn.

As an example look at Israel's war first policy. It hasn't solved anything.
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Old 08-03-2015, 10:08 AM
 
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I'll go further...

Any agreement that precludes a war from breaking out will be opposed by Republicans.

I'm sorry, but they were against ANY agreement no matter how good or bad it may have been. Right wingers showed their hands on this point a long time ago.
Yeah, I don't think many people realize how much the military industrial complex owns many politicians.

When they advocate for war, they are really advocating for their corporate supporters to take in public money. They're not making a nuanced foreign policy pitch.

The wealth that has poured into the DC area over the past decade or so is overwhelmingly from the defense industry supported by the politicians they own.
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Old 08-03-2015, 10:12 AM
 
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The only reason most Republicans are against it is because this was negotiated by a team set up under a Democratic administration. If it were a Republican in the WH, they would be all for it and the Dems would be against it. The gripes from either side of the room ring as hollow as their convictions (or lack thereof).
It appears that most Democrats are tepid about it at best, and the Democrats in Congress are increasingly leaning against it. It even appears that Chuck Shumer is leaning towards opposing Obama's ego driven, get it at any cost, "deal".
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Old 08-03-2015, 10:12 AM
 
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Yeah, I don't think many people realize how much the military industrial complex owns many politicians.

When they advocate for war, they are really advocating for their corporate supporters to take in public money. They're not making a nuanced foreign policy pitch.

The wealth that has poured into the DC area over the past decade or so is overwhelmingly from the defense industry supported by the politicians they own.
Simply put...it's TOO obvious to be ignored.
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Old 08-03-2015, 10:14 AM
 
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Is nuclear war, started by the Iranians or one of the many terrorist groups they front, war?

Of course it is. And rather than stopping that from happening, it appears that this deal makes it much more likely that it will happen. So for those that put themselves forward as if they were opposed to war, your view on this is naive and short-sighted at best, and flatly dishonest and purely partisan at worst.

Just as a reminder, appeasement never works. And this deal very certainly appears to be a typical leftist appeasement ploy.
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Old 08-03-2015, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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And yet Barack Obama and John Kerry want it, because they regard it as desirable for their "legacy," regardless of how much the American people and the Congress are opposed to awful excuse for a "deal".

What a naive, elitist, self-serving tyrant Barack Obama is.
The President is right. However, the populace that opposes the deal is downright a bunch of idiots, except the war mongerers who are wary of losing a political talking point... They don't want to run out of their fav list of countries to talk about bombing. Peace is counter productive to their goals.

And of course oil companies... they don't want lower prices either. So, fools have been asked to herd for them.
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Old 08-03-2015, 10:16 AM
 
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The President is right. However, the populace that opposes the deal is downright a bunch of idiots, except the war mongerers who are wary of losing a political talking point... They don't want to run out of their fav list of countries to talk about bombing. Peace is counter productive to their goals.

And of course oil companies... they don't want lower prices either. So, fools have been asked to herd for them.
Appeasement does not equal peace. At least not for very long. History has taught us this lesson, again, and again, and again.

Will you people never learn?
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Old 08-03-2015, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The only reason most Republicans are against it is because this was negotiated by a team set up under a Democratic administration. If it were a Republican in the WH, they would be all for it and the Dems would be against it. The gripes from either side of the room ring as hollow as their convictions (or lack thereof).
Let's not forget that this is a multi-national agreement and it's not just the US that is involved. President Obama has stated before that he wanted to resolve the issue with Iran and it's ability to obtain & manufacture a Nuclear weapon even before he was elected.
The GOP has made it very clear that they are unwilling to work with President Obama starting with Mitch McConnell's statement that his goal was to make Obama a "One Term President" upon his election in 2008.

Their blind hatred for the President is unbelievable and unpatriotic considering he hasn't shoved America into a baseless War in the past 7 years and is trying to reach a security accord with Iran yet 47 GOP Senators sent a letter to the Ayatollahs which I consider to be "treason"!
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Old 08-03-2015, 10:20 AM
 
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Appeasement does not equal peace. At least not for very long. History has taught us this lesson, again, and again, and again.

Will you people never learn?
You guys always scream "appeasement" when you don't get the war that you want so badly.
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