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Old 08-05-2015, 09:34 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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Let's just get rid of political contributions 100%. If you want to run for office, you must get X number of signatures (which would vary depending upon office and number of constituents) and the government give you a set amount of money for political materials and such.
I'm down with that.
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Old 08-05-2015, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Shouldn't a business to be politically neutral? I am not here to debate whether or not we should support a certain political notion here but I am getting tired of businesses, particularly large corporations taking a political stance and forcing a political issue onto us. I do understand they are private businesses and have the right to sell certain products but their purely politically motivated decisions are changing the way we live.

Shouldn't that be considered political discrimination? For example, eBay and Amazon's decision not to sell any firearm related items or the confederation flags, Walmart and Apple not to sell confederation flags, airlines banning any trophy hunting items, Apple not to sell any porn related apps, etc. etc. etc. What's the difference between these and those shops refusing to make gay wedding cakes or to carry gay themed movies?

Personally, I'd think as long as they are legal, particularly for those providing a platform for Internet sellers, such as eBay, Amazon and Apple, they should not discriminate like this or at least the decision shall not be political.

Thoughts?

I feel the same way about news stations.....all of them....

Report the news, report the truth....don't report just what you want people to hear....this is to me, an attempt to be disloyal to mankind, and to condition them on what to think and believe.
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Old 08-05-2015, 09:44 AM
 
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Let's just get rid of political contributions 100%. If you want to run for office, you must get X number of signatures (which would vary depending upon office and number of constituents) and the government give you a set amount of money for political materials and such.
Bernie Sanders is going to introduce a bill in September for campaign finance reform that would provide public financing for campaigns, saying that "the current political campaign finance system is corrupt and amounts to legalized bribery.”

What do you think the chances are that the Republican leadership in the Senate will allow this legislation to get to the floor?

Bernie Sanders to fight for campaign finance reform | TheHill
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Old 08-05-2015, 09:47 AM
 
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Shouldn't a business to be politically neutral? I am not here to debate whether or not we should support a certain political notion here but I am getting tired of businesses, particularly large corporations taking a political stance and forcing a political issue onto us. I do understand they are private businesses and have the right to sell certain products but their purely politically motivated decisions are changing the way we live.

Shouldn't that be considered political discrimination? For example, eBay and Amazon's decision not to sell any firearm related items or the confederation flags, Walmart and Apple not to sell confederation flags, airlines banning any trophy hunting items, Apple not to sell any porn related apps, etc. etc. etc. What's the difference between these and those shops refusing to make gay wedding cakes or to carry gay themed movies?

Personally, I'd think as long as they are legal, particularly for those providing a platform for Internet sellers, such as eBay, Amazon and Apple, they should not discriminate like this or at least the decision shall not be political.

Thoughts?
Take advantage of the free market. If you think there is money to be made selling items to racists, bigots and psychopaths, nobody is stopping you from targeting those customers. Other businesses have decided that passing up on sales of certain items is better for their bottom line in the long run.

Put your money where your mouth is and prove them wrong.
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Old 08-05-2015, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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I believe it would be in moral good standing for a company to remain politically neutral....however, that doesn't exist any longer, went out the door with allowing illegal immigrants into the country...this is a perfect example of how corrupt the U.S. really is...and people have grown immune to it.

Ignoring one law...either a moral or legal law, breaks open the doors for others to be broken....a sort of trickle down effect....

But believe it or not, there are still millions of people in this country that are so naive, they don't believe our nation could do such a terrible thing to them, so they continue to back corrupt politicians who have been bought and paid for by corporate companies all over the country and world.

I voted for Obama in his first term, but remember how much Oprah, gave to his campaign?
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Old 08-05-2015, 10:46 AM
 
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Take advantage of the free market. If you think there is money to be made selling items to racists, bigots and psychopaths, nobody is stopping you from targeting those customers. Other businesses have decided that passing up on sales of certain items is better for their bottom line in the long run.

Put your money where your mouth is and prove them wrong.
When a corporation has virtual monopoly, it's difficult or sometimes financially unwise to shop elsewhere.

Again, I am not here to argue who the targeted consumers are. You may view them as racists, bigots and psychopaths - well years ago, many viewed the blacks very differently too. That's not the point. The point is that big corporations should not dictate our life.
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Old 08-05-2015, 10:54 AM
 
Location: NYPD"s 30th Precinct
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Shouldn't that be considered political discrimination?
Of course not.

A) The are not discriminating based on political beliefs. They aren't saying, "Only conservatives are prohibited from purchasing this item, liberals are free to" or vice versa.

B) Even if they were, political beliefs do not constitute a protected class. A company is free to say "No liberals allowed". You can choose to boycott them, but they're not breaking any law.
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Old 08-05-2015, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Of course not.

A) The are not discriminating based on political beliefs. They aren't saying, "Only conservatives are prohibited from purchasing this item, liberals are free to" or vice versa.

B) Even if they were, political beliefs do not constitute a protected class. A company is free to say "No liberals allowed". You can choose to boycott them, but they're not breaking any law.
just goes to show you how years ago, so many more people were morally led to just simply do the right thing...oh yes, it was going on then, but not nearly as much...and the thing is...you cannot create a law for it not to be done...as much as we may not like it, it takes away free rights....

So, at best, we can hope for, that like everything else in life, all things go in circles....therefore, maybe, people will revert to moral laws again someday when they figure out, it "ain't workin this way"???
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Old 08-05-2015, 11:02 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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It is smart for a business to stay neutral, any time they make a political message, they risk that message doing damage to their business.
I've discovered this in local, small town politics. The business is sure to alienate part of their customer base if they post signs, distribute literature, etc.

We had one guy here who could never figure out why his business always went down after a Town election. I tried to tell him he was too political.

To top it off, although the business was here, he didn't live in Town and the DBA was registered at his house so we didn't even get our little piece of sales tax. We also didn't get our slice of the gas tax (it was a gas station) until we filed an appeal with the State.
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Old 08-05-2015, 11:11 AM
 
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Of course not.

A) The are not discriminating based on political beliefs. They aren't saying, "Only conservatives are prohibited from purchasing this item, liberals are free to" or vice versa.

B) Even if they were, political beliefs do not constitute a protected class. A company is free to say "No liberals allowed". You can choose to boycott them, but they're not breaking any law.
It's more like "I am only going to sell stuff to support the liberal causes. Anything related to the conservative have been removed from my store."

How is that not discrimination?
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