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Old 08-09-2015, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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#blacklivesmatters is a creation of the DNC to create faux outrage and form a social movement to support the candidate of their choice. Little different than BSNBC or CNN, really. Of Fox for that matter on the other side.
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Old 08-09-2015, 11:06 AM
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I don't think that's remotely true. Bernie, however, has not done much specific outreach to minority, immigrant, LGBTQ+, or women's groups. Hillary is an old white woman from a white state, and she's doing very well in the polls among these populations because she has done a LOT of outreach. Optics matter more than substance which is why Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump have supporters.

My hope is this will wake up the Bernie campaign. I'm not sure that anyone involved with the campaign expected the groundswell of support, and they're scrambling to get organized. One thing of note is that Bernie's campaign is mostly run by white men. Hillary's campaign is much more diverse. Again, optics. If Bernie wants to be a serious contender, he needs to play the game a bit more. If you look out at a crowd and you see that you're only attracting people who look like you, you need to think about how to broaden your campaign.



Does Bernie look like an Orthodox Jew to you? Oy vey ist mir.
Forget Orthodox. Practicing Jews.

The people you're thinking of are white, gentrifying Episcopalians from the DC or California suburbs with surnames from the British Isles.

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Bernie, however, has not done much specific outreach to minority, immigrant, LGBTQ+, or women's groups. Hillary is an old white woman from a white state, and she's doing very well in the polls among these populations because she has done a LOT of outreach. Optics matter more than substance which is why Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump have supporters.
^^^THIS^^^. You said it. Hillary and Donald have put much more specific effort into outreach into those communities. Bernie must not have any interest in cultivating those votes, or else why didn't he start off his campaign that way?

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Old 08-09-2015, 11:17 AM
 
Location: London
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The Seattle crowd was observed by a Black Lives Matter rep there to be “white supremacist liberals.” Which I've suspected for a long time.

And why would they say anything that wasn't true about their fellow socialists? So it has to be addressed.

Sanders talks at rally after activists disrupt earlier event

Why hasn't Bernie expressed more concern about black lives?
Why hasn't any candidate in the running expressed more concern about black lives?

Sanders is advocating for more accessible health care, social safety nets, and protection of American jobs. All things that would benefit them. They should go hound Trump or something. They're barking up the wrong tree.
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Old 08-09-2015, 11:17 AM
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Hillary Clinton hasnt had any public events.

All of her events have been invite only, or on college campuses, to which only students are allowed to come.
That's called specific outreach.

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Why hasn't any candidate in the running expressed more concern about black lives?
charolastra00 and Black Lives Matter think the others have more empathy for black lives. Would the white supremacist liberals in attendance for Bernie's speech in Seattle have the same?

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Sanders is advocating for more accessible health care, social safety nets, and protection of American jobs. All things that would benefit them. They should go hound Trump or something. They're barking up the wrong tree.
45,000 souls per year are no longer perishing for lack of health insurance.

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Old 08-09-2015, 11:28 AM
 
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Hillary is taking campaign funding from for-profit prison companies that have lockup quotas which is a disaster for blacks. She serves big money corporations. Not the average black voter.
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Old 08-09-2015, 11:29 AM
 
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Why hasn't any candidate in the running expressed more concern about black lives?

Sanders is advocating for more accessible health care, social safety nets, and protection of American jobs. All things that would benefit them. They should go hound Trump or something. They're barking up the wrong tree.
No they are not barking up the wrong tree. White liberal supremacy has always been around and Is the only white priviledge that hasn't been criticized much. Minorities have long been subject to a combination of active aggressive racism and passive aggressive patronizing. Seattle is the epitome of such social ill. These people have made a point. If Bernie really cares about people of color, why is he so cautious about saying that? Why can't he make it clear and explicit? Is it that difficult to acknowledge his position, if that is his position?

The ones you listed do not necessarily address the frustrations of minorities. Bernie doesn't want to address minorities problems. He wants minorities problems solved as a by product of solving white peoples problems. This is why he ties everything with economics. It's okay for him to choose whatever position he wants. But don't complain when people correctly see him the way he is. Not addressing minority issues. Not even giving lip service to them. Instead, route it through everything else. Only when you solve white peoples problems, are you then allowed to touch minority issues. In his case, he simply refuses to address minority issues.

Economics won't stop the police from randomly suspecting, searching, and killing an innocent person. Not in Missouri, and not in Seattle.

Trump, on the other hand, has lots of support from the Hispanic and Latino community, as many in the GOP do also. Hillary Clinton does a whole lot better wi minorities, lgbtq, women, and immigrants. Oh, and speaking of immigration, Bernie is famously against more immigration. There you go.

Given America's demographics, this type of candidate simply won't fly.
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Old 08-09-2015, 11:30 AM
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Bernie Sanders is keerazy. He's got all those white supremacist liberal followers too.
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Old 08-09-2015, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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The Seattle crowd was observed by a Black Lives Matter rep there to be “white supremacist liberals.” Which I've suspected for a long time.

And why would they say anything that wasn't true about their fellow socialists? So it has to be addressed.

Sanders talks at rally after activists disrupt earlier event

Why hasn't Bernie expressed more concern about black lives?
Eyewitness -

Black Lives Matter did disrupt the morning campaign event, which was not open to the public. The public event, yesterday evening, was packed right to the rafters and went on w/out a hitch. The venue is a basketball court and seats 10,000. There were several hundred people standing on the floor level, and the buzz inside was that about 3000 people stood outside (this makes no sense, so I highly doubt it.) This event took place on the UW campus, most of the crowd was well under 40.

In a city with a significant black population, the crowd was overwhelmingly white. Sanders strongly reiterated his civil rights stance, explicitly tied his support of free college tuition to reducing incarceration rates (paraphrase - it's immoral that the US spends more on incarcerating non-violent offenders than on education), said war is the last resort, advocated medicare-for-all, trashed the Citizens United decision, and emphasized the issue of income inequality.

Not surprisingly, he got many standing ovations.

I think that the Black Lives Matter people intend to put pressure on *all* the D candidates. Sanders is the only D candidate currently holding mass rallies on the national scene, so that's why they targeted his event. You cannot make a credible argument that Sanders is unconcerned about social justice issues, including black issues. I agree that congressional Ds have not pushed hard enough on black people's issues. But that's not Bernie's fault.
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Old 08-09-2015, 11:37 AM
 
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That's called specific outreach.


charolastra00 and Black Lives Matter think the others have more empathy for black lives. Would the white supremacist liberals in attendance for Bernie's speech in Seattle say the same?


45,000 souls per year are no longer perishing for lack of health insurance.
WSLs prioritize their own issues always on top of minority issues. Minority issues are secondary if even on the list. It's a topic WSLs discuss with other WSLs, often without any colored person present.
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Old 08-09-2015, 11:37 AM
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Eyewitness -

Black Lives Matter did disrupt the morning campaign event, which was not open to the public. The public event, yesterday evening, was packed right to the rafters and went on w/out a hitch. The venue is a basketball court and seats 10,000. There were several hundred people standing on the floor level, and the buzz inside was that about 3000 people stood outside (this makes no sense, so I highly doubt it.) This event took place on the UW campus, most of the crowd was well under 40.

In a city with a significant black population, the crowd was overwhelmingly white. Sanders strongly reiterated his civil rights stance, explicitly tied his support of free college tuition to reducing incarceration rates (paraphrase - it's immoral that the US spends more on incarcerating non-violent offenders than on education), said war is the last resort, advocated medicare-for-all, trashed the Citizens United decision, and emphasized the issue of income inequality.

Not surprisingly, he got many standing ovations.

I think that the Black Lives Matter people intend to put pressure on *all* the D candidates. Sanders is the only D candidate currently holding mass rallies on the national scene, so that's why they targeted his event. You cannot make a credible argument that Sanders is unconcerned about social justice issues, including black issues. I agree that congressional Ds have not pushed hard enough on black people's issues. But that's not Bernie's fault.
Black Lives Matters doesn't have a problem with Hillary, or else you'd at least see a tweet.

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and the buzz inside was that about 3000 people stood outside (this makes no ...sense, so I highly doubt it.)
Maybe you need to see proof. The Post-Intelligencer estimated 5000 outside:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepol...0-obama-visit/

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