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Old 08-11-2015, 04:55 AM
 
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Allow me to invoke godwin's law on this one. Imagine that you are a Jew back in the 30's in Germany and you were told to vote for Hitler based on how he's going to fix the German economy and just ignore his anti-semantic views.

Like I said, it doesn't matter how much money we end up having because of better tax laws and such. My boyfriend and I can't enjoy the money we've saved if we go to jail for loving each other.

Just a couple years ago, the republican convention banned the GOProud from attending, remember? It's abundantly clear that the republican party will never be tolerant of us. Gay people who vote conservative are like the Jews in the 30's who supported the nazis. Sure, the nazis made the German economy vibrant again. And that's all that mattered, right?
Who cares if you are gay and how it relates to economics. Not only you and your Boyfriend live a downward life choice no body cares.

If it wasnot for Conservatism we would be in a total Socialist Country by now and comparing Hitler to Conservatism is off bass and ridiculous

We are 19t in the whole thanks to the Demcrates when they took both house in 2008 and forcesthe money pit of Obama Care.. Everytime House ans Senate threatens to defund programs yo guys have a cow. No clue on a balanced budget and Hrry Reid Scuffed at the Idea.

There are very conservative Gay People who do havebusinesses and employPeople and they even see the problems with a over reaching Gov.
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Old 08-11-2015, 05:05 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Me too-and I lived without room mates.
That's entirely possible if one doesn't expect to live in a grander residence than one can afford.

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But for some reason you feel that the people of today should be doing worse?
Having a roommate or two isn't "doing worse." It's how many people have always matched their living expenses to their income. Where the heck is this sudden entitlement to anything otherwise attitude coming from? It's ridiculous.
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Old 08-11-2015, 05:10 AM
 
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Sigh. No my point is that these people aren't choosing that life.
How not? If what you assert were true, people wouldn't be able to choose, plan for, train for, etc., their professions. Yet, millions do exactly that every year.
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Old 08-11-2015, 04:42 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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Interest on the debt is currently roughly 7% of federal outlays, not 16%. Reagan never said that deficits don't matter. That would be Dick Cheney. Domestic spending actually slightly declined during Reagan's 8 years, even with a D-controlled house. Reagan did break the bank on military spending, just as FDR did during WWII. But both got worthwhile results from it: FDR won WWII, and Reagan won the Cold War.
Reagan didn't so much win the Cold War as much as simply outspent the Russians into bankruptcy. Not altogether unlike a drinking contest, sure, the other guy passed out before we did but it's a really unhealthy and juvenile way to settle a dispute.
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Old 08-11-2015, 04:50 PM
 
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How not? If what you assert were true, people wouldn't be able to choose, plan for, train for, etc., their professions. Yet, millions do exactly that every year.
Theres a lot of folks who are doctors. I could never be one realistically.

I am a engineer....and every year we get new college graduates giving this a shot. Some are naturals....but a lot arent.

In your world people don't struggle with math, physics, and communication.

I live in reality. only 10% of the people are able to do the top 10% of jobs. The rest? Really don't have that "choice".

And this is unlikely to suddenly change.
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Old 08-11-2015, 11:49 PM
 
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Every month, I look at my stubs and see that I've paid thousands in taxes. And this is on top of my property taxes.

Last christmas, I got $7k in christmas bonus. But almost half of that went into taxes.

I work on average of 55-65 hours a week. I work extra hard and take pride in my job. But... sometimes I feel like the more and harder I work the more I get penalized.

And then I turn around and see people who aren't motivated at all and pump out babies just for the sake of breeding. And they're on food stamps on a permanent basis.

Don't get me wrong. I'm as liberal as the next guy. I believe that those we as a society ought to have a safety net in place to catch people who have fallen. We all need it. Any one of us could get laid off tomorrow.

But these safety nets should be meant as temporary. Some people I personally know are on these food stamps and other social safety programs permanently. They walk out of jobs they don't like just to keep their overall wages down.

And now there are reports of people in Seattle asking to work less because they fear losing their benefits because the minimum wage increased.

I've worked hard all my life. I guess I don't mind paying the ridiculous high rates in my income bracket so much if I knew my tax dollars are going toward helping people who have fallen AS WELL AS weaning them off the social programs. But as it stands, that's not the case is it?

Don't pretend like you don't know what I'm talking about. We've all seen the ridiculously large and very poor families using food stamps at the store. And most of the time the women are pregnant. In other words, I work hard every day and pay thousands in taxes each month to fund these women to keep pumping out kids.

That makes me very depressed.
Odd, but I find it weird that you don't know that most people who receive social welfare benefits only utilize them for 5 years or less. The average is 2-3 years. Also many are temporary in nature.

I actually have never seen a "ridiculously large and very poor family" using food stamps at a store. I personally don't pay attention to how someone is paying for their groceries and I have never seen a large family at a grocery store period (to me a large family is a parent and 5 or more kids).

And FWIW, I am a gainfully employed black, married woman, not on welfare and I have been presumed to be using food stamps before by clerks at stores who hit the "EBT" button prior to me swiping my card and it not going through and them asking me how much money I have left on my EBT. When I tell them I am using a debit card, then they apologize and hit the credit/debit button for m so I can pay.

I frequently buy very expensive, unique items, even items that are not by themselves unique. For instance I only eat Hebrew National hot dogs and I only eat hot dogs on potato buns. My hot dogs sometimes cost more than $10 (depending on how many are in a pack) and the buns cost about $4 a pack. I also have 2 kids and a bunch of nieces/nephews and friends of my kids that I sometimes take to the store with me. I'm sure if you saw me that you would think I'm a welfare mom using foodstamps based on preconceived stereotypes, but you would be incorrect.

Also, I do have an elderly aunt who I grocery shop for sometimes. She has food stamps and I have used her card to buy her groceries for her when she was recuperating from surgery or if she just doesn't feel like going to the store and I'm going to the store. So you may see me with the kids and consider me a welfare mom because I use my aunt's EBT card to buy her groceries.

FWIW, many elderly people use food stamps. Many military families use food stamps as well and the majority of those on SNAP work hard just like you do. They just don't make as much money as you do. IMO, you should be thankful you make enough with your work not to have to need such a program instead of complaining about people who do.
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Old 08-11-2015, 11:54 PM
 
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Every month, I look at my stubs and see that I've paid thousands in taxes. And this is on top of my property taxes.

Last christmas, I got $7k in christmas bonus. But almost half of that went into taxes.
The top marginal federal income tax rate is 39%. And again that's marginal. How did you did you wind up in a 50% bracket?
If I lived in a municipality/state that taxed me at that rate, I'd move.
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Old 08-12-2015, 01:51 AM
 
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Theres a lot of folks who are doctors. I could never be one realistically.

I am a engineer....and every year we get new college graduates giving this a shot. Some are naturals....but a lot arent.

In your world people don't struggle with math, physics, and communication.

I live in reality. only 10% of the people are able to do the top 10% of jobs. The rest? Really don't have that "choice".
Sure, they do. Entrepreneurs do it all the time, from plumbers to photographers plus many, many more.
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Old 08-12-2015, 10:26 AM
 
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OK....you do know that its borrowed, and makes money off of being borrowed right?

And that it changing from self funded to not self funded has a lot to do with the changes in demographics from baby boomers. Additionally...its not been helped by all the wealth going to those making more then the SS tax cutoff point right?

But nice way to try and blame Democrats.
A very poor job of attempting to twist the truth.

Sorry, IMO, post fail.
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Old 08-13-2019, 02:50 AM
 
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We pay a lot of money for a military that can`t keep us safe. They were useless on 9-11 and they were useless at the El Paso Walmart and the concert in Las Vegas and every other place where we`ve experienced mass murder.
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