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Old 08-14-2015, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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"For there is a plot afoot in the Washington Post Conservative Club to purge Trump from the Republican Party before the primaries begin. “A political party has a right to … secure its borders,” asserts the Post’s George Will, “a duty to exclude interlopers.” Will wants The Donald “excommunicated” and locked out of all GOP debates until he kneels and takes a loyalty oath to the nominee."

GOP elites plot to purge Trump
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Old 08-14-2015, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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"For there is a plot afoot in the Washington Post Conservative Club to purge Trump from the Republican Party before the primaries begin. “A political party has a right to … secure its borders,” asserts the Post’s George Will, “a duty to exclude interlopers.” Will wants The Donald “excommunicated” and locked out of all GOP debates until he kneels and takes a loyalty oath to the nominee."

GOP elites plot to purge Trump
What good would taking the loyalty pledge do? He could just go back on it, could he not?
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Old 08-14-2015, 07:48 AM
 
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How did he insult "all of us".....? You'll notice that trump is only polling at 20% on average.... That means 80% aren't going along with this Rah Rah Trump narrative....

As far as his description of Trump supporters, I'd say he probably hit the nail right on the head.

The people who are supporting Trump are probably less educated, poorer people, who don't really follow politics all that much but heard Trump say something on the 11-O'clock news and thought "hey, I like that guy", and don't understand the folly in supporting him.

And to make matters worse, the GOP has to coddle Trump, who is holding the Republican Party hostage under the threat of an independent run, and play to the 20% who ARE supporting him, because they probably aren't intelligent enough to know that voting for him as a 3rd party candidate would be futile and would hand the election to democrats.

And George Will isn't the first to proffer this theory either:

Donald Trump’s surge is all about less-educated Americans - The Washington Post
The truly uneducated support the likes of Kasich and Bush on the right and Hillary and Biden on the Left.
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Old 08-14-2015, 07:50 AM
 
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Except this election isn't just any old run-of-the-mill election. This election is not the one to "send a message" or play games with. Whoever get's elected this time around, their influence will stretch FAR beyond the 4-8 years of their term. They will get to appoint at least 3 judges to the Supreme Court, meaning that this election will probably set the tone for the next 50 YEARS or more.

This is a definitive point in our History. This election will decide the path that our country goes from here on out...

Do you realize that? Do you actually understand and take in to account what's at stake here? I hope so.
i do understand what is at stake here, but realize that unless we get the RIGHT person in office, it really wont matter if our next president is hillary or jeb, since they are both branches of the same tree.

and while i prefer him, i dont see ben carson being elected president, nor rubio, cruz, walker, or huckabee. in fact most of the republican field doesnt really stand a chance at this point since most are not really heard from. so that leave trump as who i think is the best candidate to beat hillary or any other democrat.

understand however that any scotus appointee by any republican president is going to be blocked by the democrats as much as possible until they get the one they want, not who the republicans want. and even if the republicans get who they want, they have a tendency to morph into more social liberals just due to the political climate in washington.

as for this election being a definitive point in this countries history, that has been said about most presidential elections, so unless the republicans lose congress as well again, not much will change from the last four years.
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Old 08-14-2015, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I can and just did and will again. I'm not alone either. Obama isn't why Trumps numbers are so high. Boehner is.
OK if we are splitting hairs I stand corrected. You can obviously say that he lied, but it is inaccurate. AFAIK he never said that he would shut down DHS. He said that he would fight EO amnesty. Supply the quote where he said that he would shut down DHS, and I will be the first to admit that I am wrong.


EO amnesty is currently making its way through the courts, and thus far is on the losing end. Pres Obama said on more than one occasion that he didn't have the power to impose it under the Constitution, and I think that he was right.
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Old 08-14-2015, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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DHS prevent a terror attack?

Like they did with the Boston bombers after being warned by Russia?

Hilarious!
You miss the point. Suppose Republicans had shut down DHS just prior to the Boston Marathon bombing. Do you doubt that liberal Democrats would have been screeching to high heaven, and pointing more fingers than a millipede has legs? As it was, MSNBC and CNN tried to blame the bombing on the right-wing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn5i9sbNhp8

If Republicans had shut down DHS prior to the bombing, they would have gone stark raving loony-tunes made.
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Old 08-14-2015, 05:51 PM
 
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OK if we are splitting hairs I stand corrected. You can obviously say that he lied, but it is inaccurate. AFAIK he never said that he would shut down DHS.
It gets so old when someone is losing the argument for them to change the argument and then claim they are making a valid point.

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He said that he would fight EO amnesty. Supply the quote where he said that he would shut down DHS, and I will be the first to admit that I am wrong.
Show me where I ever said that.

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EO amnesty is currently making its way through the courts, and thus far is on the losing end. Pres Obama said on more than one occasion that he didn't have the power to impose it under the Constitution, and I think that he was right.
The House passed a bill funding DHS with the stipulations that Obama's E.O.'s end. This is why he said the (R)'s had to also have the Senate. Obama called his bluff and Boehner quickly capitulated as opposed to him and McConnell sending the bill to Obama.

That's just one example. When Reid ran the Senate, Boehner sent bill after bill after bill after bill after bill after bill, rescinding or changing all or parts of Obamacare. How many has he sent since they got the Senate back? None.
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Old 08-14-2015, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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"For there is a plot afoot in the Washington Post Conservative Club to purge Trump from the Republican Party before the primaries begin. “A political party has a right to … secure its borders,” asserts the Post’s George Will, “a duty to exclude interlopers.” Will wants The Donald “excommunicated” and locked out of all GOP debates until he kneels and takes a loyalty oath to the nominee."

GOP elites plot to purge Trump
So Will's eyes a political party "had the right to secure its borders" but our country does not have that right. What a cuckservative. He is the embodiment of why the GOP sucks.
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Old 08-15-2015, 12:24 AM
 
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I do not know about that. Anecdotal evidence is pretty damn weak. What issues makes you support Trump?
But ad-hominems with no foundation are not weaker? I can only offer my experience. I'm not the Pew Research Center. However, I can guarantee that there are many more like me than one might think. In addition, you might be surprised at how much more informed many lesser educated Republicans can be on politics than their wealthier and/or more educated counterparts who tend toward the dogmatic. This applies to the Left and the Right, though old Leftists have the advantage of NPR to catch them up on whatever the current accepted communist thought-stream is of the month. More established folks on the Right, unless they follow politics like some do baseball, tend to 'know what they know'. Unfortunately, what they often know is too out of date to be a valid political strategy or their conceptual understanding was slightly flawed to begin with. The proletariat generally has more to lose in the short term, and will feel loss worse, and thus can less afford to not be on the bleeding edge of the discussions and social climate.

See RedState and the NRO for examples of educated but blind Republicans unwaveringly publishing the cuckiest articles that ever cucked, toward their irrelevance and metaphorical death. They are so out of touch that they are utterly clueless on how to even mitigate the damage that they insist on continuously doing to themselves. This lack of sophistication, alone, tells astute Republicans, who wish to win, all they need to know about the value of their knowledge base and their inability to adapt. I might be apoplectic as well if I were past my prime, as an author and a publication, and knew that the political milieu was about to forever escape my understanding. Those folks are so pathetically out of touch that it almost hurts to watch such naïve folks inevitably decline. Almost. Though, I think that they deserve their it for their vicious intraparty treachery and attacks. Notice that no one on the Left makes this mistake, except when some component of their sphere threatens the speech that is necessary for the Left to continue to wage social war. See SJWs. Blogs like the NRO and RedState may as well be a vanguard arm of the Left superficially embedded in the Right sphere, like and infected splinter. They serve literally no other practical purpose. They are the consummate bleating sheep, content to masturbate to their static ideas of politics, government, and morality, even when forever defeat is breathing at their door. They would rather the entire country be irredeemably lost to socialism, and maybe eventually communism, then to do what is necessary and support who is necessary. Even when it is someone as mild as Donald Trump. In all, he is a small step and I don't even entirely trust him. Though, I'm ready to be pleasantly surprised. He's merely the best that we have by a large margin. To answer your question, I generally support Trump on every major issue insofar as he has discussed them.
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Old 08-15-2015, 10:11 AM
 
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You miss the point. Suppose Republicans had shut down DHS just prior to the Boston Marathon bombing. Do you doubt that liberal Democrats would have been screeching to high heaven, and pointing more fingers than a millipede has legs? As it was, MSNBC and CNN tried to blame the bombing on the right-wing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn5i9sbNhp8

If Republicans had shut down DHS prior to the bombing, they would have gone stark raving loony-tunes made.
The conspirators were never apprehended.

That is why no one will be allowed to see the contents of Hillary's emails.
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