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Politics: what if Americans were more interested in the facts rather than indulging in sensationalism, propaganda and biased rhetoric? Which way do you lean, vote, and why? Facts and sound reason, please to the extent possible, critical thinking. For all the rest, there is always Fox news.
...so, you start a thread asking for people to use facts, not to indulge in sensationalism, propoganda and biased rhetoric, only to follow up with exactly that.
Your arms must be tired from patting yourself on the back so much
The issue is generally that of wealth inequality, not so much income inequality. There is a big difference.
Then the question becomes tax fairness on income that of course leads to an effect on wealth over time.
Far right conservatives argue for a "flat tax." The same percentage of taxes paid no matter what the income.
Of course we as a country (and most modern societies) have long since known better. A progressive tax rate has made much better sense for a whole host of reasons that most people don't really understand, because most people don't file much other than a 1040.
Wasn't so long ago that Romney was explaining how he made on the order of $200 million in one year and paid about 18% of that to taxes. Politics is about figuring out how right -- or wrong -- that might be. Fact is, our country could not last economically if not for a progressive tax code. We'd go bankrupt over night, because most of the money made and therefore taxes to be had comes from the top levels of the economic scale. Just about half of Americans don't make enough money to pay anywhere near what is needed to finance what is America.
Accordingly, it is also simple fact that folks with lots more money, power and wealth far better understand what's going on with the tax code. Of course, they are also the ones far better at influencing how the tax code is written into law.
If this can't be seen as a problem and/or issue to pay close attention to by just about anyone, I surely don't know why, but also of course, lots of people find it a whole lot easier to put their faith and trust in those most wealthy and successful.
Not sure billionaires like Ross Perot and Donald Trump would even stand a chance if we didn't.
"You can always tell a liberal, but they won't hear much. Go back to your MSNBC echo chamber to hear all the facts you agree with."
I really don't understand some of these comments, but I am in no way surprised!
Not only did I just recently note that I am not a fan of MSNBC and what I rather turn to for facts and information, but I've also tried to make the point -- over and over -- that it is these sorts of comments without any back-up or substance that are the truly divisive ones.
Whatever the facts -- as long as true -- which are they you are referring to for the love of crying out loud?
It isn't that a liberal is necessarily hard of hearing, but just about anyone should be deaf to nonsense, right?
The issue is generally that of wealth inequality, not so much income inequality.
So, no more whining and complaining about low incomes, and no more insisting on raising the minimum wage or even having a minimum wage at all? And no more complaining about CEOs' salaries?
And any of that changes the fact that the income gap is greatest in blue states, how?
But, yeah... keep voting for Dems.
Income inequality held steady during the GW Bush years but then skyrocketed in the Obummer years. The fact is, Dems need a huge income inequality to pander to the low income so really they need a large low income class of voters. The rich also benefit under Dems...Obummer borrowed Trillions from the Chinese to hand out to his rich fat cat buddies on Wall Street that elected him...no wonder they like him.
Income inequality held steady during the GW Bush years but then skyrocketed in the Obummer years. The fact is, Dems need a huge income inequality to pander to the low income so really they need a large low income class of voters. The rich also benefit under Dems...Obummer borrowed Trillions from the Chinese to hand out to his rich fat cat buddies on Wall Street that elected him...no wonder they like him.
Exactly. And why people don't realize that is beyond me.
Read these last comments and take note of the straw men coming out of the woodwork! Lots of reference to what "they" say, and not a whole lot of sticking to what is actually said here. You want to create and make your own argument with yourself? You should take a good look in the mirror and ask why.
You want to focus on what people are ACTUALLY saying or writing and consider what facts there are to establish truth, well then just maybe you leave the realm of everyday propaganda nonsense and begin the exercise of critical thinking.
I have no silly notions about anyone changing their mind about their feelings, whether they be liberal or conservative, and so this is all a rather wasteful use of time if making any sort of dent along those lines is the goal. I do believe, however, that every now and then the effort to exchange facts can sometimes at least cause people to think twice!
My "Cement Theory" will still hold, of course, but at least it is sometimes interesting to see what FACTS it is that causes reasonable people to think, feel and vote the way they do.
Of course that's just me talking here...
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