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By 2006, the American military had found dozens of these blister-agent shells in Iraq, and had reports of others circulating on black markets, several techs said. Tests determined that many still contained mustard agent, some at a purity level of 84 percent, officials said.
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Had these results been publicly disclosed, they would have shown that American assertions about Iraq’s chemical weapons posing no militarily significant threat could be misread,
and again, just for context here:
Its canisters had ruptured during the roadside bomb’s detonation, mixing precursors to create sarin with a purity of 43 percent — more than enough to be lethal.
As for the terrorists not using them because they are dangerous to those using them, yeah, becasue its not like terrorrists strap exposives to themselves and blow themselves up or anything.
It was only a matter of time before they started using them, and indeed it is probable that they started using them immediately:
Now you are hearing the news media tell new whoppers such as "ISIL may have made mustard gas themselves" and "they may have gotten it from Syria."
Why would they make it themselves or get it from Syria when they already have hundreds of perfectly operational shells from Saddam?
About 5000 rounds of chemical muntions, many perfectly serviceable (1000 found in a Republican guard compound!) were pulled out of Iraq and it is highly suspected that thousands of more made it into Syria, Russia, or were covertly destroyed.
Why didn't we hear about this- the embarrasing fact that THE EUROPEANS manufactured Saddam's WMD. Not Americans, but EUROPEANS. That is also why thy did not want to fight, and lied through their teeth. America only sold precursors which could be used for pesiticdes and other harmless agenst. It was the Europeans who made actual agent and finished shells.
Lest we revive old canards, let us be clear that stockpiles were a declared reason that we went to war in Iraq:
Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998;
This is exactly what Bush was concerned would happen, and if we would not have pulled the troops out under Obama, this would not be happning.
Hillary and Obama lied, Kurds died.
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Ah, can I ask who left them there between 2003 to 2009?
The UN. The article apparently says that the UN sealed them up there to determine with other countries how to keep them safe and dispose of them later.
Perhaps someone after January 2009 should have guarded the place a bit better?
Ah, can I ask who left them there between 2003 to 2009?
Uh, they secured on Bush's watch and captured on Obama's watch. You do know that it was Obama who compeltely abandoned Iraq, pulling all troops out?
It would have been extremely dangerous to our soldiers to dispose of these. Not a probelm as long as troops were present.
This is ENTIRELY Obama's fault. Make no mistake about that.
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Yet you refrain from reminding everyone that ISIL doesn't exist had we not pursued such a disasterous foreign policy in Iraq, eh?
See above. There is no deflecting blame from Obama on this. Under his watch Iraq was abandoned.
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I think you are right.
We have to make correct decisions there after Bush, because of Bush and we don't seem to be making them.
Iraq will haunt Bush's legacy and make it harder to elect War Hawk Hillary.
See above.
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The Iraqi Army received training and equipment from us and when faced with a fight they ran the other way, they deserve nothing more from the US. We should have learned the folly of attempting to fight for those who won't fight for themselves 50 years ago.
Not the issue. The issue is that now a terrorist organization has access to chemical wepaons because Obama comepltey pulled troops from the region. He knew about these weapons and did not have the sense to keep them secured.
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Uh, you do know that it was Obama who compeltely abandoned Iraq, pulling all troops out?
It would have been extremely dangerous to our soldiers to dispose of these. Not a probelm as long as troops were present.
This is ENTIRELY Obama's fault. Make no mistake about that.
See above. There is no deflecting blame from Obama on this. Under his watch Iraq was abandoned.
The Iraqi Army received training and equipment from us and when faced with a fight they ran the other way, they deserve nothing more from the US. We should have learned the folly of attempting to fight for those who won't fight for themselves 50 years ago.
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Not the issue. The issue is that now a terrorist organization has access to chemical wepaons because Obama comepltey pulled troops from the region. He knew about these weapons and did not have the sense to keep them secured.
The issue is we won WWII in less time than the span between invading Iraq and Obama taking office. The issue is we never should have been there in the first place and we owed them nothing more.
If we didn't get things under control in that time frame it was never gonna happen.
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