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Old 08-17-2015, 07:31 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by thecoalman View Post
If you eliminate business/corporate taxes and shift it to a sales tax you are raising the tax on foreign companies.


Good!

That too!


Trade tariffs had been in place since the Revolutionary War was won.
Tariffs were used to protect the workers, economy and resources of the United States.
Not until the Progressive Era Tariffs worked. Not too much not too little. (Then came Smoote Hawley Tariff Act.)
A time where we exported most of our production, because the rest of the world was not industrialized.
Importing more than exporting is a disaster waiting to happen, unless protections are in place. The Federal Government has made rules and fees to make it not competitive to manufacture here in the USA. With that, we need worker protections, to keep Americans, making things for Americans.
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Old 08-17-2015, 02:17 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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The success of corporations are the success of this country. When you tax a business or corporation they pass that onto the consumer. If you eliminate those business and corporate taxes besides the other benefits I listed those taxes are now exposed to the consumer with the flat tax.
Our large corporations hurt America. All of America's large corporations have moved their production jobs to Asia. Americans no longer make TV's, telephones, or radio's because corporate greed moved those high paying American jobs to Asia.

And large corporations give our politicians their huge sums of campaign money. Then corporations use their political power to get lower tax rates than small businesses and trade deals that hurt everyone.
GAO: U.S. corporations pay average effective tax rate of 12.6% - Jul. 1, 2013


But worst of all corporate think tanks manipulate Americans with their news outlets like Fox news.

Example, combating global warming would decrease corporate profits. So Fox news tells its viewers global warming is a hoax, even though 97% of climate scientists say its most likely happening.
Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Consensus

And the republican Flat Tax is a similar manipulation. The real goal of the Flat Tax is to give capital gains 0% rates so CEO's have 0% tax rates, to abolish the death tax (a tax that only effects millionaires), and take funding from the EPA and FDA so they can no longer regulate large corporations.
Republican House votes to defund Environmental Protection Agency | The Daily Caller
What Do the Koch Brothers Want? - Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont

And Rand Paul's Flat Tax achieves the above goals.
Rand Paul's Tax Plan Would Blow a $15 Trillion Hole in the Federal Budget | Tax Justice Blog

How will the EPA have funding when there's a $15 trillion dollar dollar hole in our federal budget?
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Old 08-17-2015, 02:22 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Originally Posted by chad3 View Post
Our large corporations hurt America. All of America's large corporations have moved their production jobs to Asia. Americans no longer make TV's, telephones, or radio's because corporate greed moved those high paying American jobs to Asia.

And large corporations give our politicians their huge sums of campaign money. Then corporations use their political power to get lower tax rates than small businesses and trade deals that hurt everyone.
GAO: U.S. corporations pay average effective tax rate of 12.6% - Jul. 1, 2013


But worst of all corporate think tanks manipulate Americans with their news outlets like Fox news.

Example, combating global warming would decrease corporate profits. So Fox news tells its viewers global warming is a hoax, even though 97% of climate scientists say its most likely happening.
Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Consensus

And the republican Flat Tax is a similar manipulation. The real goal of the Flat Tax is to give capital gains 0% rates so CEO's have 0% tax rates, to abolish the death tax (a tax that only effects millionaires), and take funding from the EPA and FDA so they can no longer regulate large corporations.
Republican House votes to defund Environmental Protection Agency | The Daily Caller
What Do the Koch Brothers Want? - Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont

And Rand Paul's Flat Tax achieves the above goals.
Rand Paul's Tax Plan Would Blow a $15 Trillion Hole in the Federal Budget | Tax Justice Blog

How will the EPA have funding when there's a $15 trillion dollar dollar hole in our federal budget?
So many contradictions in one post, I don't even know where to start.
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Old 08-17-2015, 02:29 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Why should taxes be used to diminish inequality? That's moving taxes from the necessary evil of taking another person's property, to trading on the position of treating citizens unequally in order to promote equality. It's ridiculous.
Republicans are fine with income redistribution.

CEO billionaires have 6%-11% federal tax rates, and single Americans making $100,000 pay double that tax rate (and republicans are fine with it.)
http://www.ctj.org/pdf/bushchen05.pdf
Warren Buffett's Effective Federal Income Tax Rate Was Just 11%

Large corporations pay effective tax rates of 12%, and small businesses pay 2x that rate (and republicans are fine with it.)
GAO: U.S. corporations pay average effective tax rate of 12.6% - Jul. 1, 2013

Its only when you speak of raising taxes on the rich that republicans get upset.
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Old 08-17-2015, 03:27 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Republicans are fine with income redistribution.

CEO billionaires have 6%-11% federal tax rates, and single Americans making $100,000 pay double that tax rate (and republicans are fine with it.)
I'm not seeing it... The top 0.1% (1/10 of the top 1%) has an average effective federal income tax rate of 21.67%.

Table 8, here: Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data

Source: IRS data.

The average effective federal income tax rates are listed for other income groups, as well. For example, the top 10-25% has an average effective federal income tax rate of 9.96%. The same for the top 25-50% is 7.21%.
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Old 08-17-2015, 06:26 PM
 
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Republicans are fine with income redistribution.

CEO billionaires have 6%-11% federal tax rates, and single Americans making $100,000 pay double that tax rate (and republicans are fine with it.)
http://www.ctj.org/pdf/bushchen05.pdf
Warren Buffett's Effective Federal Income Tax Rate Was Just 11%

Large corporations pay effective tax rates of 12%, and small businesses pay 2x that rate (and republicans are fine with it.)
GAO: U.S. corporations pay average effective tax rate of 12.6% - Jul. 1, 2013

Its only when you speak of raising taxes on the rich that republicans get upset.
U know u confused effective vs marginal tax rates.

Someone making 20-30k with a kid can essentially be paying close to a 0% effective federal tax rate. I know a lot of people grossing 100k self employed who essentially pay 5% effective federal income taxes which their deductions.

Let's be fair and balance if you want to discuss tax rates.


Plus buffet income mainly are through passive income which are taxed differently (lower). Like John Kerry wife paying essentially an effective tax rate of about 10%.

It's no secret. Besides hedge funds who use carry over interest. The super rich mainly live off dividends and tax exempt muni bonds etc which are taxed extremely low.

And no. You are wrong. Democrats don't want to raise taxes on the super rich either. There is a big difference between raising taxes on someone making 400k W2 vs imposing a wealth tax of say 1% above net assets over 10 million. Even Nancy Pelosi would never agree to a wealth tax cause that would directly affect her wealth.
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Old 08-17-2015, 10:54 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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I'm not seeing it... The top 0.1% (1/10 of the top 1%) has an average effective federal income tax rate of 21.67%.

Table 8, here: Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data

Source: IRS data.

The average effective federal income tax rates are listed for other income groups, as well. For example, the top 10-25% has an average effective federal income tax rate of 9.96%. The same for the top 25-50% is 7.21%.
Your source is a think tank created by and managed by large corporations, and their only goal is to lower corporate and CEO tax rates, and decrease government regulations on large corporations.
Tax Foundation - SourceWatch

Your source also uses manipulation and faulty figures.
Tax Foundation--up to its usual nonsense - Business Insider
Intentionally misleading data from Scott Hodge of the Tax Foundation | mathbabe


Reality is the millionaire/billionaire CEO's who control the TaxFoundation have 6%-14% tax rates.
http://www.ctj.org/pdf/bushchen05.pdf
Warren Buffett's Effective Federal Income Tax Rate Was Just 11%
Romney paid 14% effective tax rate in 2011 - Sep. 21, 2012

Groups like the Taxfoundation speak of over taxing, the rich paying all the taxes, and government being to big in an attempt to fulfill corporate dreams of abolishing the EPA and FDA, ex.ex.
What Do the Koch Brothers Want? - Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont

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Old 08-17-2015, 10:57 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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And no. You are wrong. Democrats don't want to raise taxes on the super rich either. There is a big difference between raising taxes on someone making 400k W2 vs imposing a wealth tax of say 1% above net assets over 10 million. Even Nancy Pelosi would never agree to a wealth tax cause that would directly affect her wealth.
Obama and the democrats tried to pass a law to make millionaire/billionaire CEO's pay fair tax rates, but the republicans stopped the law from passing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffett_Rule
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Old 08-17-2015, 11:26 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Your source is a think tank created by and managed by large corporations, and their only goal is to lower corporate and CEO tax rates, and decrease government regulations on large corporations.
Their charts are of IRS tax data. If you doubt their accuracy, you're welcome to post a link to the IRS's breakdown of each income group's average effective federal income tax rate, instead.

Here, I'll even help you out:
SOI Tax Stats - Individual Income Tax Rates and Tax Shares

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/14ins...rateshares.pdf

Take a look at income levels and their corresponding average effective federal income tax rates in the IRS publication.
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