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Old 09-09-2015, 07:34 PM
 
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US/Israeli bullying in the ME for close to 100 years now. Tired of being bullied.
Israel never bullied Iran.
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Old 09-09-2015, 07:36 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Read the Quran all of it
Hostility and even violence to Jews and Christians is part of the faith
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Old 09-09-2015, 07:37 PM
 
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I mean it isn't like they are any border disputes. They are 1000 miles apart.

Iran is more Persian than Islamic, so there isn't the 1000s of years of animosity based on religion.

So what is it?
When the Muslims invaded Hispania in the year 711 they made an alliance with the local Jews to defeat the Christians (at that time mostly Visgoths that had migrated from what is known today as France).

The Arabs (Berbers called Moors) made the Christians pay very high taxes whereas the Jews paid a much lower rate. The Arabs and Jews got along in those days, but Islam was a relative new religion.


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Iranian–Israeli relations can be divided into four major phases: the period from 1947-1953, the friendly period during the era of the Pahlavi dynasty, the worsening period from the 1979 Iranian Revolution to 1990, and finally the hostility since the end of the First Gulf War. In 1947, Iran was among 13 countries that voted against the UN Partition Plan for Palestine. Two years later, Iran also voted against Israel's admission to the United Nations. Nevertheless, Iran was the second Muslim-majority country to recognize Israel as a sovereign state after Turkey. After the 1953 coup d'état, which brought pro-Western Mohammad Reza Pahlavi to power, relations between the two countries significantly improved. After the 1979 Revolution, Iran severed all diplomatic and commercial ties with Israel, and its Islamic government does not recognize the legitimacy of Israel as a state.
The turning point from cold peace toward hostility occurred in the early 1990s, shortly after the collapse of the Soviet Union and defeat of the Iraqi Army during Desert Storm, after which distribution of relative power shifted towards Iran and Israel and formed a nascent bipolar structure in the Middle East. The conflict escalated in the early 1990s, as Yitzhak Rabin's government adopted a more aggressive posture on Iran.
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Old 09-09-2015, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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This is why counties in the Middle east hate Israel
Yes. Those countries that supported and assisted Israel in keeping Saddam from acquiring nukes.
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Old 09-09-2015, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Iran's general population is pretty secular. Its supreme leader is not.
You are right. The people of Iran are not our or Israel's enemies. The problem is that they have leaders that are bat-chit crazy, believe all that nutty Islamic crap and believe that a great battle with Israel heralds the coming of the 12th Imam, their silly version of an end-times story. And these are the nuts that we are now helping finance.
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Old 09-09-2015, 11:08 PM
 
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You are right. The people of Iran are not our or Israel's enemies. The problem is that they have leaders that are bat-chit crazy, believe all that nutty Islamic crap and believe that a great battle with Israel heralds the coming of the 12th Imam, their silly version of an end-times story. And these are the nuts that we are now helping finance.
In 2009 the Iranians came to the streets to overthrow the crazy Mullahs who force them to live under the tyranny of Islam. It was called the Green Revolution. The streets of Tehran were flooded with citizens, taking bullets from the Pro-Mullah Police, yet they bravely marched on for a full week.

Shockingly, Obama did not so much as even verbally support them.

Obama did rush to support the Islamists to come to power wherever they appeared, like the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.
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Old 09-09-2015, 11:39 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Default Why does Iran hate Israel?

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I mean it isn't like they are any border disputes. They are 1000 miles apart.

Iran is more Persian than Islamic, so there isn't the 1000s of years of animosity based on religion.

So what is it?
Good question - why do Iranian rulers constantly attack Israel even though the two nations actually have no real conflicts of their own?

First, because Israel is a good distraction for the Iranian people. In other words, Iranian leaders want to focus their restless youthful population away from internal affairs and instead put their attention on foreign nations, especially Israel and the United States.

Second - and this is key - Iran is a isolated Persian speaking Shiite Islam country and is surrounded by mostly Sunni Muslim countries, many of them Arab speaking. So Iran tries to change that fact by trying to drive the attention of the "Arab street" toward Israel instead of Iran.

Iran actually needs Israel to be the "bad guy" so to speak as a way of taking attention off Iran and onto someone else.
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Old 09-09-2015, 11:47 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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You are right. The people of Iran are not our or Israel's enemies. The problem is that they have leaders that are bat-chit crazy, believe all that nutty Islamic crap and believe that a great battle with Israel heralds the coming of the 12th Imam, their silly version of an end-times story. And these are the nuts that we are now helping finance.


Has President Rouhani said anything like that?
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Old 09-09-2015, 11:49 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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Good question - why do Iranian rulers constantly attack Israel even though the two nations actually have no real conflicts of their own?

First, because Israel is a good distraction for the Iranian people. In other words, Iranian leaders want to focus their restless youthful population away from internal affairs and instead put their attention on foreign nations, especially Israel and the United States.

Second - and this is key - Iran is a isolated Persian speaking Shiite Islam country and is surrounded by mostly Sunni Muslim countries, many of them Arab speaking. So Iran tries to change that fact by trying to drive the attention of the "Arab street" toward Israel instead of Iran.

Iran actually needs Israel to be the "bad guy" so to speak as a way of taking attention off Iran and onto someone else.


Good point, the reverse is also true. Its the oldest political power retention trick in the book. What would Bibi do if Iran wasn't such a threat? The country may focus more on the awful domestic job he has done/is doing. What if Israel wasn't America's only ally in the region anymore?
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Old 09-10-2015, 12:13 AM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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I mean it isn't like they are any border disputes. They are 1000 miles apart.

Iran is more Persian than Islamic, so there isn't the 1000s of years of animosity based on religion.

So what is it?
Before the Shah was deposed Israel and Iran were virtually allies and there is some knowledge that MOSSAD provided technical assistance (i.e. how to get people to talk) to the Shah's secret police SAVAK. The Shah was the only Middle Eastern oil and gas producer to sell oil to Israel and private Israeli defense contractors sold Iran upgrade kits for its US supplied weapons that were never sold with the most advanced radar and weapons control systems. (Israel often does such upgrades to its own US supplied weapons preferring less complex field serviceable and more soldier or pilot friendly electronics or avionics. The Israelis hate overpriced junk and I would take their opinions as those of knowledgeable warriors!Israel developed its own nuclear weapons and Iran has Uranium ore since Israel had the knowledge an obvious trade was happening before 1979. Israel has never signed the Non-proliferation Treaty and pretty much does what it wants. It is the only nation to have supplied turn key nuclear weapons to another non-nuclear weapons state (eg. South Africa, Israel sold them 3 such devices in exchange for refined uranium no questions asked).

Another reason after 1979 was the Islamic world views three sites involved with the life of the Prophet Mohammed as being special (They are Mecca, Medina and the Temple Mount in Jerusalem (where Mohammed ascended to Heaven stepping off the rock where The Dome of the Rock Mosque was built over it. ). Control of these sites confers special prestige to the ruler of the state having jurisdiction. Now as one must learn there was a religious schism over who would succed Mohammed as the leader of Islam. Two camps formed and they have been fighting on and off ever since. The Persians and many people in Mesopotamia took the claim of Ali as Mohammed's successor (They became the Shar'iat Ali (Followers of Ali) or Shia) The vast majority of Muslims in North Africa, Pakistan, Central Asia and The rest of the Near East backed the other guy and are the Sunni or majority. Mecca and Medina are in Sunni hands (i.e The Saudi's) Jerusalem is in the hands of the Israelis one of the People of the Book who venerate Abraham and Moses just like Muslims do but they are not Muslims. One of Khomeini's goals apart from creating a Islamic State (A Shia Islamic State) was to put the Holy sites back in the hands of spiritually clean people (i.e Shia hands) like his. Hence, Iran wants to wrest Mecca and Medina from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia or the equally bad Hashemites. and of course take Jerusalem (prying it out of Israel's cold dead hands).

So this is why the Middle East is such fun just like defusing a bomb ticking down to zero one second at a time . The USA is not that good at defusing bombs.
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