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Old 09-10-2015, 02:33 PM
 
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Naturally, you will provide evidence to support your assertion. Right?

ETA: the rest of the Islamic world isn't exactly feeling the love for Iran either. So really, it's just an Islamic thing and their inability to co-exist with well, anyone, even each other.
http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/vi...28&context=jss

What problem do you have with my assertion? It's called "offensive realism". I am saying it is a power competition by both countries. It isn't any different from the US-China rivalry in the Western Pacific right now which I think China will win eventually. A lot of the earliest opponents of Israel were secular Arab states and Arab Christians have been some of the most vociferous opponents of Israel (Sirhan Sirhan anyone?).
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Old 09-10-2015, 02:37 PM
 
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Good question - why do Iranian rulers constantly attack Israel even though the two nations actually have no real conflicts of their own?

First, because Israel is a good distraction for the Iranian people. In other words, Iranian leaders want to focus their restless youthful population away from internal affairs and instead put their attention on foreign nations, especially Israel and the United States.

Second - and this is key - Iran is a isolated Persian speaking Shiite Islam country and is surrounded by mostly Sunni Muslim countries, many of them Arab speaking. So Iran tries to change that fact by trying to drive the attention of the "Arab street" toward Israel instead of Iran.

Iran actually needs Israel to be the "bad guy" so to speak as a way of taking attention off Iran and onto someone else.
Great points! When you want a country to come together go to war against another country. Has worked well for centuries.

Israel as a "Demon" comes in quite handy to most middle eastern Muslim countries. Israel serves as a useful distraction while the Islamic Republics kill and persecute their own people. Iran, Syria, SA and even Egypt are a bigger threat to their own people than Israel.
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Old 09-10-2015, 02:41 PM
 
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http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/vi...28&context=jss

What problem do you have with my assertion? It's called "offensive realism". I am saying it is a power competition by both countries. It isn't any different from the US-China rivalry in the Western Pacific right now which I think China will win eventually. A lot of the earliest opponents of Israel were secular Arab states and Arab Christians have been some of the most vociferous opponents of Israel (Sirhan Sirhan anyone?).
Iran will never be dominant in the Middle East. they are militarily WEAK (per your link ^) and their leadership is too stupid. Even the oppressive Saudi's don't shoot themselves in the foot over and over like the Ayasholla in Iran does.

Iran creating instability has already bitten them QUITE hard. Where is their BFF Assad?? where is the leader of hezsballs? hiding in a hole somewhere as the people of Lebanon revolt.
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Old 09-10-2015, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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well I read every post. only 1 post even hints at the simple truth.

Iran hates Israel because they control the land of Jerusalem. period.

The Koran requires that once a land is Muslim, it must remain so, or all Muslims must seek to regain it.

Israel is even more important because as has been pointed out, it houses the third most holy site in islam. Jerusalem and the Dome of the Rock.


This is a matter of faith for all Muslims. Israel must go away and it must become Muslim. period.

It is no more complicated than that.
Iran will glow in the dark before Israel "goes away." I guess that complicates things a bit.
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Old 09-11-2015, 03:21 PM
 
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Iran will never be dominant in the Middle East. they are militarily WEAK (per your link ^) and their leadership is too stupid. Even the oppressive Saudi's don't shoot themselves in the foot over and over like the Ayasholla in Iran does.

Iran creating instability has already bitten them QUITE hard. Where is their BFF Assad?? where is the leader of hezsballs? hiding in a hole somewhere as the people of Lebanon revolt.
The Saudis may not, but the whole religous unrest in that area of the world is nothing new. Fundamentalism has raised its head many times there. Sometimes driven by Sunnis, sometimes Shias, and sometimes specific sects, Wahhabist, the Ottomans and others.
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Old 09-11-2015, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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Maybe not so much Israel, but the United States has definitely been a bully in the M.E.

Anyway, Iran doesn't hate Israel, and I doubt Israel hates Iran. Their relationship is more complicated than that.
So the supreme moron in charge of Iran did not mean it when he said "Israel has about 25 years left on earth" and promised to wipe Israel off the face of the earth? Friends decades ago means nothing today in this ever changing world....
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Old 09-11-2015, 03:33 PM
 
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Very. Iran and Israel had a very close relationship under the Shah, who ruled from 1953 to 1979. El Al even had an office in Tehran, and there were flights between Israel and Iran.

Even after the fall of the Shah Israel sold weapons to Iran, along with parts for the F-4 so Iran could keep its planes in the air during the Iran-Iraq War. Iran and Israel also worked together during that war to destroy Saddam's nuclear reactor at Osirak.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera
claiming that iran and israel had a very close relationship while the shah was in charge is akin to saying the usa had terrific relations with cuba under the batista regime

the shah was hated by the people of iran
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Old 09-11-2015, 04:13 PM
 
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claiming that iran and israel had a very close relationship while the shah was in charge is akin to saying the usa had terrific relations with cuba under the batista regime

the shah was hated by the people of iran
the shah was hated by the people of iran
All of them. Out of the Fire and into the Ayatollah.

I would speculate that over the last 50 years that whenever one despot is replaced in the middle East, they are replaced by someone or something worse.

Here is the beloved old man of Iran
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Old 09-11-2015, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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So the supreme moron in charge of Iran did not mean it when he said "Israel has about 25 years left on earth" and promised to wipe Israel off the face of the earth? Friends decades ago means nothing today in this ever changing world....
"That's not his problem.." "Not a problem of the U.S.A"... " The Jews should of stayed in Europe after the holocaust and not move to the Middle East."... " Israel is evil, Iran is moderate"..

Don't bother with the proud American.
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Old 09-11-2015, 05:56 PM
 
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Good point, the reverse is also true. Its the oldest political power retention trick in the book. What would Bibi do if Iran wasn't such a threat? The country may focus more on the awful domestic job he has done/is doing. What if Israel wasn't America's only ally in the region anymore?
If Iran was not a threat to Israel, then Israel would most likely have a peace agreement with Iran; Like Jordan and Egypt. Israel's peace treaties with Jordan and Egypt prove that Israel seeks peace first and foremost.

If Israel was not America's only ally, Israel would be politically isolated and most likely forced to take military actions against all those that seek its destruction.

Which leads to the next nuance point, Why is the United States empowering an enemy state to both the U.S and Israel?
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