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Old 08-18-2015, 10:01 AM
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Really, so what I am hearing is you are so far to the right that everyone else is basically to the left of you and are automatically leftist neocons.
The term "Rockefeller Republican" was coined half a century ago to define progressive leftist Republicans.
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Old 08-18-2015, 10:02 AM
 
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Dick Cheney is a Rockefeller Republican (aka leftist, neocon). And so were the ones who voted for Part D.

It's why a Tea Party subsequently arose in the form of elected officials like Mike Lee, Trey Gowdy, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Justin Amash, Walter Jones, Dave Brat,.... Which scares leftists no end.
Right, Dick Cheney is a leftist. And you have no response to all the others. No one is scared of the Tea Party. They are amusing and hypocritical but no one is scared of them. Notice how quiet they've gotten?

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Really, so what I am hearing is you are so far to the right that everyone else is basically to the left of you and are automatically leftist neocons.
By their logic, Ronald Reagan, Dick Cheney and every Republican in office from 1980 to now are all leftist neocons. What's funny is take a look at Kansas. Brownback's practically ruined that state and Walker is not far behind in Wisconsin. All that tax cutting sounds fun until they have no money to run the state.

I'm looking forward to the GOP going hard after entitlements. These seniors that are so enamored with the GOP are going to have a rude awakening when they are the target. They love to go after Medicaid but a major portion of Medicaid goes to seniors in addition to Medicare and Social Security. Many seniors are getting all three. I pay taxes and get no government benefits so watching this all play out will be hugely entertaining.
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Old 08-18-2015, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The term "Rockefeller Republican" was coined half a century ago to define progressive leftist Republicans.
Ah yes, the progressive leftist Republicans, you mean the same ones that fought against slavery? And no, Cheney is not a progressive leftist, though everyone compared to you is probably a progressive leftist.
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Old 08-18-2015, 10:07 AM
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Right, Dick Cheney is a leftist. And you have no response to all the others. No one is scared of the Tea Party. They are amusing and hypocritical but no one is scared of them. Notice how quiet they've gotten?
Like the Bush family, Cheney embraces progressive social mores, embraces Keynesian economics that inflate currencies, is quick to start skirmishes of adventure overseas--like the leftist now who wilfully destroyed a stable Libya and is moving to do the same to Syria.

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Right, Dick Cheney is a leftist. And you have no response to all the others. No one is scared of the Tea Party. They are amusing and hypocritical but no one is scared of them. Notice how quiet they've gotten?

By their logic, Ronald Reagan, Dick Cheney and every Republican in office from 1980 to now are all leftist neocons
Ronald Reagan was the antithesis of a neocon. He espoused smaller government, leaned toward libertarian ideals. Bush was forced onto his ticket in '80 against his wishes.

Reagan didn't ignite regional conflicts, withdrew troops from Beirut rather than double down.
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Old 08-18-2015, 10:08 AM
 
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So far NO LIBERAL has stated what debt level is acceptable- NOT ONE.

All we have heard is blame and deflection, but not one answer.
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Old 08-18-2015, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Again-

So far NO LIBERAL has stated what debt level is acceptable- NOT ONE.

All we have heard is blame and deflection, but not one answer.
Because no one cares about your baiting question. How about you answer your own question seeing as it sounds like you already have an answer.
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Old 08-18-2015, 10:13 AM
 
Location: SC
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Libs-

What debt level is unacceptable?

$20 trillion?
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00% of GDP?

Or is there no amount of debt that is unacceptable? What happens if the interest (not principle on debt) exceeds 50% of annual revenues? 75%?

Debt could be reduced by issuing "debt free notes" so that the amount of circulating currency is not reduced, thus avoiding a depression/recesssion. However, this would require a partial dismantling of the Federal Reserve current policy (it will never happen).

Since Republicans are just as or more responsible for debt, why is this question directed at "liberals?" This is just another example of republican hypocrisy that makes them look dishonest and foolish.
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Old 08-18-2015, 10:13 AM
 
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Again-

So far NO LIBERAL has stated what debt level is acceptable- NOT ONE.

All we have heard is blame and deflection, but not one answer.
Because the deficit is not created in a vacuum. If you want to name a number, you're going to have to name what you're willing to give up to maintain that number. If we set a number and said that's the number and no more, would that have stopped Bush from declaring war on Iraq? Would that have stopped the GOP from passing the completely unfunded Medicare Part D? Would the GOP be willing to tell all these seniors no more Medicaid money to pay for their senior care facilities? Draw a line, that's fine by me, just be willing to stick to that line, because I sure don't see how the GOP has done that and I'm looking forward to it.
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Old 08-18-2015, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Again-

So far NO LIBERAL has stated what debt level is acceptable- NOT ONE.
The GOP congress sets the budget.

FYI

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All we have heard is blame and deflection, but not one answer.
It's your thread.

You go first. Good manners demands it.

Post a right wing figure.

I insist.

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Old 08-18-2015, 10:19 AM
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No one is scared of the Tea Party. They are amusing and hypocritical but no one is scared of them. Notice how quiet they've gotten?
Two are campaigning for president of the United States, and one is preparing to debrief Hillary Clinton in front of Congress in October.

Ask Salon.com why it devoted endless resources to futilely attempt to discredit the movement.


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By their logic, Ronald Reagan, Dick Cheney and every Republican in office from 1980 to now are all leftist neocons.
Ronald Reagan was the antithesis of a neocon. He espoused smaller government, leaned toward libertarian ideals. Bush was forced onto his ticket in '80 against his wishes.

Reagan didn't ignite regional conflicts, withdrew troops from Beirut rather than double down. (Mention that on Salon.com, and the progressives squeal, "Cut and run!")
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