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Old 08-19-2015, 04:37 AM
 
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"Email? Whats an email? I'm just a poor grandma trying to make it in a mans world, this email you speak of must be some vast right wing conspiracy to demean and control women and minorities."
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Old 08-19-2015, 05:15 AM
 
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She was the classification authority. It is cut and dried. If she says they were not classified they were not classified. Now the IG can of course point out that this or that tid bit came from a source that was high classified. That in no way makes the emails classified...
Whoever taught you how classified works should have his or her clearance revoked.

She was a classification authority for material she or the State Department created, not material that arose from another program. What you need to release classified is called 'declassification authority,' and she didn't have that. To the extent she could downgrade or declassify DoS material, it was irrelevant with respect to SCI material.

If a tidbit of material which came from a highly classified source such as the ones cited in the IG letter is included, then the sentence, paragraph, page and entire document is classified as long as that tidbit is included.
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Old 08-19-2015, 05:27 AM
 
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"What difference does it make"

What difference does what make?
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Old 08-19-2015, 05:48 AM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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HRC was given the power to classify documents. there is no excuse that a doc she looked at was later classified...that speaks to her incompetence. If you don't like that then your other choice is that she is lying.

Hope the Clintons turn on obama.

Under her rules, if a US spy walked into her office with photos and intel on a plot to bomb the US, she could divulge the information to anyone she wanted to until the CIA put a stamp on it declaring the info "classified".
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Old 08-19-2015, 05:54 AM
 
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She would be the one to dictate its existence since it is outside of normal protocol.
I'd point out that "outside normal protocol" is not against the law, particularly for the person who has the authority to dictate protocol.

I'm a career intelligence wonk, so Clinton has committed what to me is a moral sin--she might as well have been having sex with her masseuse. But it's not against any law that she can be prosecuted for that I can see so far.
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Old 08-19-2015, 05:59 AM
 
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What difference does what make?
They even look a bit alike!
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Old 08-19-2015, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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I'd point out that "outside normal protocol" is not against the law, particularly for the person who has the authority to dictate protocol.

I'm a career intelligence wonk, so Clinton has committed what to me is a moral sin--she might as well have been having sex with her masseuse. But it's not against any law that she can be prosecuted for that I can see so far.
If there was no potential law that she could have broken, the FBI wouldn't be investigating..
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Old 08-19-2015, 06:02 AM
 
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Under her rules, if a US spy walked into her office with photos and intel on a plot to bomb the US, she could divulge the information to anyone she wanted to until the CIA put a stamp on it declaring the info "classified".
No, that's under the rules of the Executive branch. If the information originates in her office, she is the Original Classification Authority and can classify it as she sees fit--particularly if the CIA has not already classified it. She is Original Classification Authority actually superior to the Director of the CIA. The only superior OCAs to the SecState are the vice-president and president. Her authority is equal to that of the other department secretaries, who are each OCAs of their own departments.

That means even if the SecDef had classified a document, it's only going to be a hosing match between Defense and State if State wants to reveal something. In fact, I've seen it happen a couple of times: State has revealed information that both Defense and CIA wanted to keep classified.
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Old 08-19-2015, 06:04 AM
 
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If there was no potential law that she could have broken, the FBI wouldn't be investigating..
To prosecute her for a crime is going to have to be something more than merely having classified information on her own servers. Like kiddie porn.
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Old 08-19-2015, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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To prosecute her for a crime is going to have to be something more than merely having classified information on her own servers. Like kiddie porn.
Time will tell, but she is definitely sweating bullets over it. Her demeanor is telling in recent weeks..
If it was just a scandal I don't think she would be so rattled. Clintons live in scandal.
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