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No one has yet addressed the original topic. Instead of accepting the reality and rejecting one's disposition, so far we have people who claimed this was made in Israel, Iran is not a threat to the modern world, and Shia islam was created to counter sunni islam!
Anybody care to address how Iran is modernizing its stance?
Why should the U.S. care about Iran's stance?
As lucrative as constant conflict in the ME is for some, the U.S. cannot afford continued meddling.
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Originally Posted by BMoreJuice
Haha nice try, official sponsored propaganda of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, the Ayatollahs personal elite forces. Lets give 150 billion dollars to an enemy state who actively seeks the destruction of Israel and the U.S.
1) Nobody gave them $150B
2) There's not a reason in the world the US need fear Iran, if there is there should be multiple heads rolling in the Pentagon
Very coy I see, well no offense but you have a very poor track record of not reading the sources you post and therefor, your credibility in my eyes is very poor. Your a proponent of the deal. You trust our fickle partners and are an patsy player for Iran. But the amount of open source information has exposed the flaws of the deal.
a) Lack of full transparency and surprise inspections. Foreign inspectors are bared no entry nor no physical collection of evidence in suspected military sites.
b) Conflict between stakeholders will allow Iran to continue developing what ever they want.
c) United States sending conciliatory weapons packages to its allies in the region in order to offset an emerging arms race with Iran once $150 billion dollars is released to Iran.
D) Common sense suggests that The $150 billion dollars will be enjoyed in the hands of the IRG, Hezbollah and other Iranian proxy terrorist groups to pursue its interests in the region.
Congress may pass it most likely, but spare me your highlighting of a group of Americans with a under 20% approval rate by the American public. There is no guarantee that this deal will prevent Iran from the bomb, but it sure will make its terrorist groups $150 billion dollars richer.
This post shows you a victim to the very thing you accuse me of - not being credible, and trusting fickle sources. This deal does not makes terrorist groups $150bn richer; to suggest so displays your ignorance on this subject.
No. I will however state again that Iran isn't a threat to the United States. You know...the country that I love and care about.
uhm, Iran and its sponsoring of terrorism world wide, are definatly a threat to the USA
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Originally Posted by desertdetroiter
Defend the deal?
Hell, I don't even think a deal is necessary, nor should there be any sanctions on Iran. The United States should have normalized relations with Iran a long time ago.
That's because they present no danger to us and you can't prove that they do.
And you know it too.
uhm...they are UN sanctions
In August 2012, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei instructed the Revolutionary Guards and Quds Force to increase their terror attacks due to what the Iranian government perceived as their interests being threatened by United Nations sanctions and the West's support of Syrian opposition
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UN sanctions against Iran[edit]
Main article: List of United Nations resolutions concerning Iran
The UN Security Council passed a number of resolutions imposing sanctions on Iran, following the report by the International Atomic Energy Agency Board of Governors regarding Iran's non-compliance with its safeguards agreement and the Board's finding that Iran's nuclear activities raised questions within the competency of the Security Council. Sanctions were first imposed when Iran rejected the Security Council's demand that Iran suspend all enrichment-related and reprocessing activities. Sanctions will be lifted when Iran meets those demands and fulfills the requirements of the IAEA Board of Governors. To-date, Iran sanctions are the toughest the world community has imposed on any country.[12]
United Nations Security Council Resolution 1696 – passed on 31 July 2006. Demanded that Iran suspend all enrichment-related and reprocessing activities and threatened sanctions.
United Nations Security Council Resolution 1737 – passed on 23 December 2006 in response to the proliferation risks presented by the Iranian nuclear program and, in this context, by Iran's continuing failure to meet the requirements of the International Atomic Energy Agency Board of Governors and to comply with the provisions of Security Council resolution 1696 (2006).[13] Made mandatory for Iran to suspend enrichment-related and reprocessing activities and cooperate with the IAEA, imposed sanctions banning the supply of nuclear-related materials and technology, and froze the assets of key individuals and companies related to the program.
United Nations Security Council Resolution 1747 – passed on 24 March 2007. Imposed an arms embargo and expanded the freeze on Iranian assets.
United Nations Security Council Resolution 1803 – passed on 3 March 2008. Extended the asset freezes and called upon states to monitor the activities of Iranian banks, inspect Iranian ships and aircraft, and to monitor the movement of individuals involved with the program through their territory.
United Nations Security Council Resolution 1835 – Passed in 2008.
United Nations Security Council Resolution 1929 – passed on 9 June 2010. Banned Iran from participating in any activities related to ballistic missiles, tightened the arms embargo, travel bans on individuals involved with the program, froze the funds and assets of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Lines, and recommended that states inspect Iranian cargo, prohibit the servicing of Iranian vessels involved in prohibited activities, prevent the provision of financial services used for sensitive nuclear activities, closely watch Iranian individuals and entities when dealing with them, prohibit the opening of Iranian banks on their territory and prevent Iranian banks from entering into relationship with their banks if it might contribute to the nuclear program, and prevent financial institutions operating in their territory from opening offices and accounts in Iran.
United Nations Security Council Resolution 1984 – passed on 9 June 2011. This resolution extended the mandate of the panel of experts that supports the Iran Sanctions Committee for one year.
United Nations Security Council Resolution 2049 – passed on 7 June 2012. Renewed the mandate of the Iran Sanctions Committee’s Panel of Experts for 13 months.
United Nations Security Council Resolution 2231 – passed on 20 July 2015. Sets out a schedule for suspending and eventually lifting UN sanctions, with provisions to reimpose UN sanctions in case of non-performance by Iran, in accordance with the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iran
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Originally Posted by Mag3.14
Are you still banging on about the Iran deal?
That ship has sailed. You missed it. The deal will go through as planned. Israel will be fine. Iran won't attack any of its neighbors (you know, just like it never has in the past). Bibi will continue to throw his toys around. The developed world will continue to ignore him.
The end. Move on.
uhm...yes they have
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India[edit]
In July 2012, The Times of India reported that New Delhi police have concluded that terrorists belonging to a branch of Iran’s military, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, were responsible for an attack on 13 February 2012, during which a bomb explosion targeted an Israeli diplomat in New Delhi, India, wounding one embassy staff member, a local employee, and two passers-by. According to the report, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards may have planned other attacks on Israeli targets around the world as well.[12][13]
Israel[edit]
Iran does not recognize Israel as a state. The United States State Department states Iran provides support for Hamas, Hezbollah and Palestinian Islamic Jihad in Israel.
Hamas[edit]
Iran supplies political support and weapons to Hamas,[14] an organization classified by Israel, the United States, Canada, the European Union, Egypt, Australia and Japan as a terrorist organization. Mahmoud Abbas, President of the Palestinian National Authority, has said "Hamas is funded by Iran. It claims it is financed by donations, but the donations are nothing like what it receives from Iran".[15] From 2000 to 2004, Hamas was responsible for killing nearly 400 Israelis and wounding more than 2,000 in 425 attacks, according to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. From 2001 through May 2008, Hamas launched more than 3,000 Qassam rockets and 2,500 mortar attacks into Israel.[16]
During the 1980s and 1990s, a wave of kidnappings, bombings, and assassinations of Western targets, particularly American and Israeli, occurred in Lebanon and other countries. The attacks, attributed to Hezbollah, have included:
The 1982-1983 Tyre headquarters bombings
The blowing up of a van filled with explosives in front of the U.S. embassy in Beirut killing 58 Americans and Lebanese in 1983.
The 1983 Beirut barracks bombing of the U.S. Marine and French 'Drakkar' barracks which killed 241 American and 58 French peacekeepers. On May 30, 2003, a U.S. federal judge ruled that Hezbollah carried out the attack at the direction of the Iranian government.[17]
The 1983 Kuwait bombings in collaboration with the Iraqi Dawa Party.[18]
The 1984 United States embassy annex bombing, killing 24.[19]
The hijacking of TWA flight 847 holding the 39 Americans on board hostage for weeks in 1985 and murder of one U.S. Navy sailor
The Lebanon hostage crisis from 1982 to 1992.[20]
According to Middle East analyst James Philips, an August 1989 bombing in London was a failed Hezbollah assassination attempt on Indian-born British author Salman Rushdie, after the Iranian government put a $2.5 million bounty on his head over the novel The Satanic Verses.[21][22] Iranian officials have repeatedly called for Rushdie's death as recently as 2005.[23]
The bombing of the Israeli Embassy killing twenty-nine in 1992. Hezbollah operatives boasted of involvement.[24]
The bombing of a Jewish community center in Argentina killing 95 in 1994. Hezbollah claimed responsibility.[25]
The 1994 AC Flight 901 attack, killing 21, in Panama. Hezbollah claimed responsibility.[26]
The 1996 Khobar Towers bombing, killing 19 US servicemen. On December 22, 2006, federal judge Royce C. Lamberth ruled that Iran was responsible for the attack, stating "The totality of the evidence at trial...firmly establishes that the Khobar Towers bombing was planned, funded, and sponsored by senior leadership in the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The defendants' conduct in facilitating, financing, and providing material support to bring about this attack was intentional, extreme, and outrageous."[27]
The 2012 Burgas bus bombing, killing 6, in Bulgaria.[28]
Islamic Jihad is widely believed to be a nom de guerre of the Lebanese Islamist political movement and social service agency Hezbollah, which was founded in 1982 with many millions of dollars of aid and considerable training and logistical support from the Islamic Republic. Many believe the group promotes the Iranian agenda and that its goal is to overthrow the moderate governments in the area and create Islamic Republics based on that of Iran as well as the destruction of Israel.[1] Iran has supplied the militant organization Hezbollah with substantial amounts of financial, training, weapons (including long range rockets), explosives, political, diplomatic, and organizational aid while persuading Hezbollah to take an action against Israel.[29][30][31] Hezbollah's 1985 manifesto listed its four main goals as "Israel's final departure from Lebanon as a prelude to its final obliteration"[32] According to reports released in February 2010, Hezbollah received $400 million from Iran.[30]
Its methods include assassinations, kidnappings, suicide bombings, and guerilla warfare. It is believed to be one of the Islamic resistance groups that made suicide bombings common use. Other attacks credited to Hezbollah include:
Firing of hundreds of rockets into northern Israel on a daily basis and capture of Israeli soldiers in 2006.[33]
According to a senior intelligence officer, the 2005 assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri was carried out by Hezbollah at the direction of Iranian agents.[34]
Iraq insurgency[edit]
Iranian proxies killed an estimated 1,100 US troops in Iraq.[35] In addition, insurgents supported by Iran reportedly committed acts of terrorism.[34][36][37] The United States State Department states that weapons are smuggled into Iraq and used to arm Iran's allies among the Shiite militias, including those of the anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi army.[38]
During his address to the United States Congress on September 11, 2007, Commanding officer for the United States forces in Iraq, General David Petraeus noted that the multinational forces in Iraq have found that Iran's Quds force has provided training, equipment, funding, and direction to terrorists. “When we captured the leaders of these so-called special groups … and the deputy commander of a Lebanese Hezbollah department that was created to support their efforts in Iraq, we’ve learned a great deal about how Iran has, in fact, supported these elements and how those elements have carried out violent acts against our forces, Iraqi forces and innocent civilians.”[36]
Dexter Filkins has described the extensive involvement of Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps Quds Force commander Qasem Suleimani in arming and training both Sunni and Shi'ite militias in Iraq. According to a Western diplomat quoted by Filkins: "Suleimani wanted to bleed the Americans, so he invited in the jihadis, and things got out of control."[34]
Kenya[edit]
Aggrey Adoli, Kenya's police chief in Kenya's coastal region, said on 22 June 2012 that two Iranians, Ahmad Abolfathi Mohammad and Sayed Mansour Mousavi, believed to members of Iran's Revolutionary Guards' Quds Force,[39] were arrested and suspected of being involved in terrorism. One of the Iranians led counter-terrorism officers to recover 15 kilograms of a powdery substance believed to be explosive.[40] The two Iranians allegedly admitted to plotting to attack United States, Israeli, Saudi, or British targets in Kenya.[39] In court, Police Sgt. Erick Opagal, an investigator with Kenya's Anti-Terrorism Police Unit, said that the two Iranians had shipped over 100 kilograms of powerful explosives into Kenya.[41]
It was later revealed that the targets included Gil Haskel, Israel's ambassador to Kenya. During a visit to Kenya in August, Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon praised Kenya for its efforts in stopping Iranian terror threats against Israeli and Jewish targets. Uganda, Ethiopia, and Kenya all expressed concern with Ayalon regarding Iran's attempts to increase terror activity in Africa.[42]
Al-Qaeda ties[edit]
Al Qaeda and Iran formed an alliance during the 1990s in which Hezbollah trained al Qaeda operatives.[43] After the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan, Iran evacuated hundreds of al Qaeda personnel from Afghanistan, allowing the formation of an al Qaeda "management council" on Iranian soil. While some al Qaeda operatives were allowed to act freely, others were placed under house arrest.[44][45] Even though Iran has assisted Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in fighting Sunni insurgents during the sectarian Syrian civil war,[46] al Qaeda and Islamic State insurgents are reportedly "under orders not to attack inside Iran in order to preserve their supply network there".[47][48] In 2014, there was speculation that Iran might sever its ties with al Qaeda in return for a deal with the West regarding its nuclear program
According to Hamid Karzai, Iran is "not fooling anyone" with its support for Taliban insurgents.[72]
Documents released by Wikileaks in 2010 provide further information on Iranian support for al Qaeda and Taliban insurgents in Afghanistan.[73]
To say Israel is the bully on the block is like saying the 99 lb weakling is the stud on the beach ... outnumbered surrounded and a history of people killing them and Israel should not be concerned?
Crazy Mullah's & the Mahdi will come a callin' The God of Abraham will smite thee...
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Originally Posted by Northeastah
so you're an isolationist - or perhaps the Gov't should vet with you first before they make decisions on foreign policy?
No, I'm a non-interventionist, there's a big difference.
I'm tired of watching far too many involvements around the world that have cost the country dearly in blood and $$$ with little/no benefit in return. The 1953 Iran coup, Chile, Vietnam, Iraq(twice) come quickly to mind.
I read nothing in the Constitution that tasks us with being the World Police.
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