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Old 08-24-2015, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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I jumped off the Libertarian train wreck around 2010 after realizing that the movement was made up of crooked liars who just wanted to feather nests and full of dupes that believe in slogans. Fast forward to 2015, and the most popular candidate of the GOP is not Rand Paul, it's Trump. Rand has less than 10% poll support, and no matter what gimmicks he tries to pull, he can barely budge. With Trump being so popular, it's clear who the GOP electorate really wants, it's definitely not Libertarian. Thanks to Trump, the Republican voter has rediscovered their love of trade protectionism and what I call "cultural protectionism". Libertarians, real Libertarians, do not believe in protectionism or restricted borders. I was one of the first wave to give the Pauls the finger, and now more people are jumping off that sinking ship called Rand Paul
I don't think Libertarian as a political view is dying. It might be small but it is paraded out every 4 years or so in front of the Republicans to be laughed at...
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Old 08-24-2015, 05:47 PM
 
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The cotton gin. Or in other words, technology. That's not to say another 20 years of slavery would have been a good thing but it would have ended with the advancing technology.
What about the owning people as property aspect? Property rights are very important to Libertarians, aren't they?
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Old 08-24-2015, 05:57 PM
 
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... Of course people will mess up from time to time. That happens with government or without, but at least we wouldn't be acting like it's okay to steal or attack innocent people. Sticking with the slavery analogy, you wouldn't say "Because of human nature, we should stop speaking out against slavery. It has always existed, so we should just keep it because it works. Even if we got rid of it, some people might still try to have slaves, so I still support slavery. ...
Human nature creates slavery. Human nature ends slavery. Human nature is not fixed in stone, we evolve, we are free, we choose, we create, we destroy, we adapt, we dance, we change, we keep moving & so on.
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:02 PM
 
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What about the owning people as property aspect? Property rights are very important to Libertarians, aren't they?
A question was asked. I answered it. Do you dispute my answer?

To own someone you would have to provide for them. If they are not providing a service they are no longer needed. The fewer need the less of a push against laws banning it.

Now one can ask themselves if a war and the many dead was worth the years it would have naturally happened and it could be an interesting topic but I've answered the question.
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:33 PM
 
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A question was asked. I answered it. Do you dispute my answer?

To own someone you would have to provide for them. If they are not providing a service they are no longer needed. The fewer need the less of a push against laws banning it.

Now one can ask themselves if a war and the many dead was worth the years it would have naturally happened and it could be an interesting topic but I've answered the question.
This is one of the reasons why Libertarianism is dying or already dead.
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:51 PM
 
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This is one of the reasons why Libertarianism is dying or already dead.
So, it's dying because someone is actually answering the questions?
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Old 08-24-2015, 07:31 PM
 
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So, it's dying because someone is actually answering the questions?
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
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Old 08-24-2015, 07:31 PM
 
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Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
Seems you do.
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Old 08-24-2015, 07:38 PM
 
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Seems you do.
Gotta admit it would be nice to get a rational answer, not interested in re-animating a dying quasi-religion.
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Old 08-24-2015, 07:44 PM
 
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What about the owning people as property aspect? Property rights are very important to Libertarians, aren't they?
The Non Aggression Principle. Unless the slavery is voluntarily agreed upon between all parties, it is verboten.
And you own yourself.
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