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I jumped off the Libertarian train wreck around 2010 after realizing that the movement was made up of crooked liars who just wanted to feather nests and full of dupes that believe in slogans. Fast forward to 2015, and the most popular candidate of the GOP is not Rand Paul, it's Trump. Rand has less than 10% poll support, and no matter what gimmicks he tries to pull, he can barely budge. With Trump being so popular, it's clear who the GOP electorate really wants, it's definitely not Libertarian. Thanks to Trump, the Republican voter has rediscovered their love of trade protectionism and what I call "cultural protectionism". Libertarians, real Libertarians, do not believe in protectionism or restricted borders. I was one of the first wave to give the Pauls the finger, and now more people are jumping off that sinking ship called Rand Paul
But even 10% supported candidate can have a effect on national politics as far has discussion and issues. Trump is like to be such a candidate. I always welcome such candidates who bring to forefront discussions other main stream candidates would like to gloss over.
[quote=lilyflower3191981;40914992]I don't think Libertarians are crooked liars. I think the party is not mature enough and people will never be ready for Libertarians.
Libertarians fail to realize that there has never been--and never will be--a government that functions according to their principles because it runs entirely contrary to human nature.[/quote]
I was a hardcore Libertarian. This, good God, this sentence is hitting the nail on the head so hard it shoots through. Libertarian Ideology isn't flawed it just isn't efficient in this humongous country. It would never work. I still have the upmost respect for Ron Paul though. Bless his soul.
I don't think Libertarians are crooked liars. I think the party is not mature enough and people will never be ready for Libertarians.
Libertarians fail to realize that there has never been--and never will be--a government that functions according to their principles because it runs entirely contrary to human nature.[/quote]
I was a hardcore Libertarian. This, good God, this sentence is hitting the nail on the head so hard it shoots through. Libertarian Ideology isn't flawed it just isn't efficient in this humongous country. It would never work. I still have the upmost respect for Ron Paul though. Bless his soul.
The problem is that the bolded is a logical fallacy. You could argue that the U.S. was originally the first libertarian country, but even if you don't count the U.S., the non-existence of something isn't an argument that it can't exist in the future. There was never a society without slavery either...I'll have to double check but I'm pretty sure there were people back then arguing that we would always have slaves because it's human nature.
Even though I hear it all the time, I still get frustrated when people just assert that libertarianism "just wouldn't work in the real world". Libertarianism is the real world. Politics is trying to "plan" society for the best outcome by threatening people with violence. That's utopian...not leaving everyone alone.
The problem is that the bolded is a logical fallacy. You could argue that the U.S. was originally the first libertarian country, but even if you don't count the U.S., the non-existence of something isn't an argument that it can't exist in the future. There was never a society without slavery either...I'll have to double check but I'm pretty sure there were people back then arguing that we would always have slaves because it's human nature.
Even though I hear it all the time, I still get frustrated when people just assert that libertarianism "just wouldn't work in the real world". Libertarianism is the real world. Politics is trying to "plan" society for the best outcome by threatening people with violence. That's utopian...not leaving everyone alone.
The country was very libertarian in nature when it was first started. Libertarians do not believe that there should be no government. Just that it should be as small as necessary to get by.
When our government has grown itself to the point of feeling up old ladies in a wheelchair trying to board a plane, it's too big.
The country was very libertarian in nature when it was first started. Libertarians do not believe that there should be no government. Just that it should be as small as necessary to get by.
When our government has grown itself to the point of feeling up old ladies in a wheelchair trying to board a plane, it's too big.
Personally, I prefer to think the earlier designers were creative/pragmatic/flexible anarchists. They refused to be caged in by rigid, limiting, anaesthetic ideologies - after all they were attempting something big & bold & beautiful - however imperfect.
When our government ... the one ostensibly of, by & for the people ... has been reduced to the size where it's being dragged into the bathroom & drowned?
Probably not such a good metaphor? How's this one? Our government on sale to the highest bidder - our people sold down the river.
Personally, I prefer to think the earlier designers were creative/pragmatic/flexible anarchists. They refused to be caged in by rigid, limiting, anaesthetic ideologies - after all they were attempting something big & bold & beautiful - however imperfect.
But they put rules in place. Mostly to keep the government at bay but they did set limited parameters for the governments place also.
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When our government ... the one ostensibly of, by & for the people ... has been reduced to the size where it's being dragged into the bathroom & drowned?
Probably not such a good metaphor? How's this one? Our government on sale to the highest bidder - our people sold down the river.
Sad & pathetic.
I'm not sure why you allow yourself to be bought.
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