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I jumped off the Libertarian train wreck around 2010 after realizing that the movement was made up of crooked liars who just wanted to feather nests and full of dupes that believe in slogans. Fast forward to 2015, and the most popular candidate of the GOP is not Rand Paul, it's Trump. Rand has less than 10% poll support, and no matter what gimmicks he tries to pull, he can barely budge. With Trump being so popular, it's clear who the GOP electorate really wants, it's definitely not Libertarian. Thanks to Trump, the Republican voter has rediscovered their love of trade protectionism and what I call "cultural protectionism". Libertarians, real Libertarians, do not believe in protectionism or restricted borders. I was one of the first wave to give the Pauls the finger, and now more people are jumping off that sinking ship called Rand Paul
I jumped off the Libertarian train wreck around 2010 after realizing that the movement was made up of crooked liars who just wanted to feather nests and full of dupes that believe in slogans. Fast forward to 2015, and the most popular candidate of the GOP is not Rand Paul, it's Trump. Rand has less than 10% poll support, and no matter what gimmicks he tries to pull, he can barely budge. With Trump being so popular, it's clear who the GOP electorate really wants, it's definitely not Libertarian. Thanks to Trump, the Republican voter has rediscovered their love of trade protectionism and what I call "cultural protectionism". Libertarians, real Libertarians, do not believe in protectionism or restricted borders. I was one of the first wave to give the Pauls the finger, and now more people are jumping off that sinking ship called Rand Paul
I don't think Libertarians are crooked liars. I think the party is not mature enough and people will never be ready for Libertarians.
Libertarians fail to realize that there has never been--and never will be--a government that functions according to their principles because it runs entirely contrary to human nature.
I don't think Libertarians are crooked liars. I think the party is not mature enough and people will never be ready for Libertarians.
Libertarians fail to realize that there has never been--and never will be--a government that functions according to their principles because it runs entirely contrary to human nature.
Of course not. Libertarianism is one step away from anarchy. It will never happen.
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Originally Posted by pknopp
LOL....it seems the Republicans dont want a Republican. What does that say?
It means Republican voters actually support big government, but not in name. They support government intervention in the economy (trade protectionism), and they support worker protectionism by restricting immigration further. How does a social democrat, or socialist, or whatever, keeps getting elected and has his wide support among Republican voters in the most conservative part of Vermont? Easy, because Republicans may be swayed by slogans, but they want people like Bernie Sanders when they see he can save their family farms from going bankrupt from corporate competition. The real political center of the American voter lies in FDR's past policies, but people are too stupid to know what's good for them and believe in slogans that appeal to their heartstrings and fantasies. Bernie Sanders cannot get re-elected to a statewide office again and again without support from rural Republican voters, which he wins by comfortable margins.
I don't think Libertarians are crooked liars. I think the party is not mature enough and people will never be ready for Libertarians.
Libertarians fail to realize that there has never been--and never will be--a government that functions according to their principles because it runs entirely contrary to human nature.
Then what is the proper function of libertarians in a society which seems incapable of evolving toward greater personal autonomy and responsibility, and less unnecessary structure?
The number of tested parliamentary democracies continues to grow, and several of these might "Balkanize" into several component nation-states. Environmental fakirs to the contrary, most of us can find a way to live better and often find products suited to our particular issues.
And due to the distortive effects of both increased personal mobility and the message of mass marketing, the rewards of entrepreneurship tend to concentrate among a relative few. But philanthropy and the fast-growing non-profit sector should allow the newly-created capital to be devoted to larger-scale and capital-intensive endeavors which became unsustainable by the private sector after the rise of the bureaucratic state.
The cycle repeats itself -- and the line between crony capitalism and meaningful infrastructural redesign is becoming increasingly blurry. But it represents an improvement over the near-total loss of pluralism some eighty years ago.
Sanders was also endorsed by Senate Minority LeaderHarry Reid of Nevada and Democratic National Committee Chairman and former Vermont Governor Howard Dean. Dean said in May 2005 that he considered Sanders an ally who "votes with the Democrats 98% of the time."[68] Then-Senator Barack Obama also campaigned for Sanders in Vermont in March 2006.[69] Sanders entered into an agreement with the Democratic Party, much as he had as a congressman, to be listed in their primary but to decline the nomination should he win, which he did.[70][71] In the most expensive political campaign in Vermont's history,[72] Sanders defeated businessman Rich Tarrant by an approximately 2-to-1 margin. Many national media outlets projected Sanders the winner before any returns came in. He was reelected in 2012 with 71% of the vote.[73]
71% of the vote statewide. I doubt any "far left Democrat" anywhere across the country can get elected in a statewide election with THAT much of a landslide. The people want Sanders deep down inside. It's like one of those weird religious people that refuse life saving medication that they know can save them but think they will go to hell if they receive modern medicine. The average American, especially the poorer Republican voter, wants Sanders but doesn't want him because he thinks his ideas are "foreign and too European" for this American voter to accept. When, in fact, the ideas and policies that Europe has adopted all came from the US.
In Europe Libertarianism is considered extreme left wing. I don't see anything wrong with elements of the libertarian philosophy, but in US politics I think of the Ayn Rand type who espouses minimal government etc. A very childish and ignorant way of thinking.
Sen. Rand Paul has loyal support, very unique messages, a foundation laid by his father, and a really crummy campaign team. He's not acting like a career politician, and he is a true conservative, (not sure I can call him Libertarian leaning anymore)
He is definitely a different type of Republican. Too bad people just don't get his wonderful messages.
I started a thread about this... the modern day Conservative / Republican favors big government. They favor it in slightly different ways than Democrats, but the end result is the same... bigger government.
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